AP is close to deal with Saints

WhoDat!656 · 04-24-2017, 05:26 PM

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ScottF · 04-24-2017, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Adrian Peterson to Saints doesn’t make much sense, for Peterson | ProFootballTalk

Good points made, no doubt. But if only one guy asks you to dance...

Better points made by SFIAH; we aren't changing for AP.
I agree that Ingram sees the biggest change, as he finds himself on the field more for 3rd down and less on 1-2. Sproles only ran for 1000 yards in 3 years here, 5-6 carries per game. Of course he caught more than that, averaging about 12 touches a game.
If AP got 10-12 carries a game and Ingram 3-4 more passing targets, we'd be in very good shape.

neugey · 04-24-2017, 05:39 PM

Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money.

But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-24-2017, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money.

Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of.

But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will.

Nothing will. I keep telling ya'll (and my own brother, who would prefer the Saints be LSU) that we have 10 seasons of evidence of the Payton-Carmichael-Brees DNA. They are not going to run the ball. They are not going to run the offense through the running game. They are not going to keep one package out on the field. That isn't the Saints offense, and nothing short of all three leaving the organization is going to change it.

The reason that Ingram is now the near perfect back for this system is that he runs the ball efficiently. He can get 15-18 touches and end up with over 100 scrimmage yards both running and catching the ball. AP isn't going to change that. AP isn't going to change the offense.

To improve the run game, improve the defense. The Saints run the ball when up by 10,14,17,21+ in the second half. Poor defense makes this a rarity.

An improved defense will make the rush game more effective. Having Ingram and AP pounding the ball in the 4th quarter will be effective.

But if the score is 35-27 with the Saints on the losing end, you can forget it.

SFIAH

neugey · 04-24-2017, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of.

Nothing will. I keep telling ya'll (and my own brother, who would prefer the Saints be LSU) that we have 10 seasons of evidence of the Payton-Carmichael-Brees DNA. They are not going to run the ball. They are not going to run the offense through the running game. They are not going to keep one package out on the field. That isn't the Saints offense, and nothing short of all three leaving the organization is going to change it.

The reason that Ingram is now the near perfect back for this system is that he runs the ball efficiently. He can get 15-18 touches and end up with over 100 scrimmage yards both running and catching the ball. AP isn't going to change that. AP isn't going to change the offense.

To improve the run game, improve the defense. The Saints run the ball when up by 10,14,17,21+ in the second half. Poor defense makes this a rarity.

An improved defense will make the rush game more effective. Having Ingram and AP pounding the ball in the 4th quarter will be effective.

But if the score is 35-27 with the Saints on the losing end, you can forget it.

SFIAH

Good points there. about the best we can hope for is that AP's presence will prompt Payton to come back to the run more often, particularly when their defense seems tired or on the ropes.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-25-2017, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money.

But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of.

Can I call it? I believe I hit the three! from http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...l-with-saints/

Peterson also gave the full details of the contract as well. The deal is a one-year contract to start with an option for a second year for New Orleans. Peterson will earn $3.5 million in fully guaranteed money this season with a $2.5 million signing bonus and $1 million in guaranteed base salary.

His 2018 option would carry $3.5 million in non-guaranteed money with $2.4 million in roster bonuses. The $3.5 million comes from $1.05 million in base salary, $1.65 million in per game roster bonuses, a $750,000 roster bonus that triggers on the third day of the league year and a $50,000 workout bonus.

SFIAH

K Major · 04-25-2017, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Can I call it? I believe I hit the three! from Report: Adrian Peterson agrees to two-year, $7 million deal with Saints | ProFootballTalk

SFIAH

SFIAH,

You better hurry up and get a Power Ball ticket!

rezburna · 04-24-2017, 06:09 PM

I'm anxious for this deal to get finished and to see this play out on the field. We don't need AP to pound it 30 times a game, and he doesn't need that many carries to be effective. When we get up, we give them a heavy dose of AP and Ingram. Simple as that.

Seer1 · 04-24-2017, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm anxious for this deal to get finished and to see this play out on the field. We don't need AP to pound it 30 times a game, and he doesn't need that many carries to be effective. When we get up, we give them a heavy dose of AP and Ingram. Simple as that.

Why does it seem I see the stall tactic fail more than succeed?

CheramieIII · 04-24-2017, 06:13 PM

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Adrian Peterson to Saints doesn’t make much sense, for Peterson \| ProFootballTalk Good points made, no doubt. But if only one guy asks you to dance... Better points made by SFIAH; we aren't changing for AP. I agree that Ingram sees the biggest change, as he finds himself on the field more for 3rd down and less on 1-2. Sproles only ran for 1000 yards in 3 years here, 5-6 carries per game. Of course he caught more than that, averaging about 12 touches a game. If AP got 10-12 carries a game and Ingram 3-4 more passing targets, we'd be in very good shape.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,853 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money. But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will.

04-24-2017, 06:00 PM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by neugey Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money. Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of. But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will. Nothing will. I keep telling ya'll (and my own brother, who would prefer the Saints be LSU) that we have 10 seasons of evidence of the Payton-Carmichael-Brees DNA. They are not going to run the ball. They are not going to run the offense through the running game. They are not going to keep one package out on the field. That isn't the Saints offense, and nothing short of all three leaving the organization is going to change it. The reason that Ingram is now the near perfect back for this system is that he runs the ball efficiently. He can get 15-18 touches and end up with over 100 scrimmage yards both running and catching the ball. AP isn't going to change that. AP isn't going to change the offense. To improve the run game, improve the defense. The Saints run the ball when up by 10,14,17,21+ in the second half. Poor defense makes this a rarity. An improved defense will make the rush game more effective. Having Ingram and AP pounding the ball in the 4th quarter will be effective. But if the score is 35-27 with the Saints on the losing end, you can forget it. SFIAH neugey likes this.
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04-24-2017, 07:59 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,853 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of. Nothing will. I keep telling ya'll (and my own brother, who would prefer the Saints be LSU) that we have 10 seasons of evidence of the Payton-Carmichael-Brees DNA. They are not going to run the ball. They are not going to run the offense through the running game. They are not going to keep one package out on the field. That isn't the Saints offense, and nothing short of all three leaving the organization is going to change it. The reason that Ingram is now the near perfect back for this system is that he runs the ball efficiently. He can get 15-18 touches and end up with over 100 scrimmage yards both running and catching the ball. AP isn't going to change that. AP isn't going to change the offense. To improve the run game, improve the defense. The Saints run the ball when up by 10,14,17,21+ in the second half. Poor defense makes this a rarity. An improved defense will make the rush game more effective. Having Ingram and AP pounding the ball in the 4th quarter will be effective. But if the score is 35-27 with the Saints on the losing end, you can forget it. SFIAH Good points there. about the best we can hope for is that AP's presence will prompt Payton to come back to the run more often, particularly when their defense seems tired or on the ropes.

04-25-2017, 02:41 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by neugey Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money. But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will. Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of. Can I call it? I believe I hit the three! from http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...l-with-saints/ Peterson also gave the full details of the contract as well. The deal is a one-year contract to start with an option for a second year for New Orleans. Peterson will earn $3.5 million in fully guaranteed money this season with a $2.5 million signing bonus and $1 million in guaranteed base salary. His 2018 option would carry $3.5 million in non-guaranteed money with $2.4 million in roster bonuses. The $3.5 million comes from $1.05 million in base salary, $1.65 million in per game roster bonuses, a $750,000 roster bonus that triggers on the third day of the league year and a $50,000 workout bonus. SFIAH K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Can I call it? I believe I hit the three! from Report: Adrian Peterson agrees to two-year, $7 million deal with Saints \| ProFootballTalk SFIAH SFIAH, You better hurry up and get a Power Ball ticket!

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints I'm anxious for this deal to get finished and to see this play out on the field. We don't need AP to pound it 30 times a game, and he doesn't need that many carries to be effective. When we get up, we give them a heavy dose of AP and Ingram. Simple as that. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: AP is close to deal with Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I'm anxious for this deal to get finished and to see this play out on the field. We don't need AP to pound it 30 times a game, and he doesn't need that many carries to be effective. When we get up, we give them a heavy dose of AP and Ingram. Simple as that. Why does it seem I see the stall tactic fail more than succeed?

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