Originally Posted by Danno (Post 746004)

Keep in mind that this was a 4 year old child.

F*** Adrian Beaterson.

I hope that low life scum piece of s*** doesn't make it through training camp.

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 745949)

He got into problems when he took a switch to his kid. people were screaming child abuse.

Originally Posted by AllSaints (Post 746013)

Sometimes as a parent you don't realize how hard you are spanking your child... it seems to me this was one of those occasions for AP.... we don't really know for sure but I have been there....

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 745998)

Well said Pherein. I agree 100%. I'm excited because he's one of the greatest to ever play the game. On the other hand, we're talking about a guy who would shove leaves in his kids mouth and do this:

https://cdn1.ijr.com/wp-content/uplo...542.1487542004

Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 746012)

This is going to ruffle feathers, but..f*** it.

People like to vilify him over the incident with his son. And while I agree that the images are not pleasant, I am unwilling to say that he set out with the intention to leave those kinds of marks without having been there myself. I do specifically remember that a text he sent to the child's mother was released and it was him saying something along the lines of "now that I see the marks on him I feel bad about it." Now you may say "well he shouldn't have ever lifted a switch to his child in the first place." To that I would say you're entitled to your opinion, but some people, myself included, believe in corporal punishment. It was used on me and my 4 siblings, my wife and her 4 siblings, my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and most of my friends. They're all well adjusted people today. None complaining of being scarred or traumatized by their experience. In fact I believe they would all say, and I would definitely say that I'm glad my parents whipped me. I learned at a young age that trouble was not something I wanted any part of, and that remains with me to this day. And I didn't get whipped a lot because I was smart enough to learn my lesson each time. The only downside to it is that occasionally someone may not take the time to remove themselves from the heat of the situation. By that I mean, a child may make a big time mistake, and the parent could understandably be angry and not give themselves a moment to calm down before disciplining the child. I learned myself that it's best to calm down before doling out punishment, having left some slight bruising on my oldest son's backside once because I did it while I was still mad. I felt bad about it, and it hasn't happened again. Now you may say "but what could a 4 year old possibly do to anger him so much?" As a father of 6...yes, 6... I can tell you firsthand about the kind of destruction and devastation a 4 year old is capable of. My children have destroyed things that made my blood boil, but after learning the lesson with my son, I now remove myself for however long it takes to calm down before coming back to discipline. But it takes making mistakes to learn from them.. and I'm pretty sure he learned from his. Who here amongst us is perfect? Who here hasn't done something they so deeply regret that they just wish they could go back in time and redo the whole thing? We're quick to cast stones at folks whose dirty laundry ends up in public, but if ours got out what would people think of us? I guess what I'm saying is.. none of us really know the man, and it's asinine and hypocritical to say that you know he's a p.o.s. because of one incident. Also, pretty sure not a single one of you would dare say it to his face, so... just stop.

I'm off my soap box now.

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 746026)

This is a well- thought post, and I agree with whoopin kids butts, and also the "casting stones" part. BUT...

I dont know the case with AP, but I do suspect its not good, so I'm by no means an apologist for him. In fact I would seriously want CPS to stop by before letting him keep a kid. Ive also said in the past, and I still say that I like my team being made up of good guys we can root for as people. Other fans can root for jerks. I cant. I do know he was embarrassed and ashamed by this, and yeah, maybe its "he got caught," but I would bet this is the end of that behaviour with him. I know the Saints wont tolerate someone who brings negative press, and Im sure Payton has asked him some questions. I dont know... what I think of him, just yet. And no, scoring TD's wont change my opinion, when I get one.

I got a western belt on my ass when I was a kid, and I survived, and am a better, more respectful character for it. I was pretty hyper, and if I were a kid today, I would prob. be diagnosed with some new alphabet disease, but miraculously, my mother had a vaccine in her closet, and I've pretty much functioned ever since. That's sure to piss someone off, I know.. I got torched on another site for sharing this, but, oh well. Another traditionally disciplined child comes out of the closet.

those pics are terrible for sure, and I wouldnt want to see a kid get anything like that again. peace, yall.

Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 746012)

This is going to ruffle feathers, but..f*** it.

People like to vilify him over the incident with his son. And while I agree that the images are not pleasant, I am unwilling to say that he set out with the intention to leave those kinds of marks without having been there myself. I do specifically remember that a text he sent to the child's mother was released and it was him saying something along the lines of "now that I see the marks on him I feel bad about it." Now you may say "well he shouldn't have ever lifted a switch to his child in the first place." To that I would say you're entitled to your opinion, but some people, myself included, believe in corporal punishment. It was used on me and my 4 siblings, my wife and her 4 siblings, my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and most of my friends. They're all well adjusted people today. None complaining of being scarred or traumatized by their experience. In fact I believe they would all say, and I would definitely say that I'm glad my parents whipped me. I learned at a young age that trouble was not something I wanted any part of, and that remains with me to this day. And I didn't get whipped a lot because I was smart enough to learn my lesson each time. The only downside to it is that occasionally someone may not take the time to remove themselves from the heat of the situation. By that I mean, a child may make a big time mistake, and the parent could understandably be angry and not give themselves a moment to calm down before disciplining the child. I learned myself that it's best to calm down before doling out punishment, having left some slight bruising on my oldest son's backside once because I did it while I was still mad. I felt bad about it, and it hasn't happened again. Now you may say "but what could a 4 year old possibly do to anger him so much?" As a father of 6...yes, 6... I can tell you firsthand about the kind of destruction and devastation a 4 year old is capable of. My children have destroyed things that made my blood boil, but after learning the lesson with my son, I now remove myself for however long it takes to calm down before coming back to discipline. But it takes making mistakes to learn from them.. and I'm pretty sure he learned from his. Who here amongst us is perfect? Who here hasn't done something they so deeply regret that they just wish they could go back in time and redo the whole thing? We're quick to cast stones at folks whose dirty laundry ends up in public, but if ours got out what would people think of us? I guess what I'm saying is.. none of us really know the man, and it's asinine and hypocritical to say that you know he's a p.o.s. because of one incident. Also, pretty sure not a single one of you would dare say it to his face, so... just stop.

I'm off my soap box now.

Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 746012)

This is going to ruffle feathers, but..f*** it.

People like to vilify him over the incident with his son. And while I agree that the images are not pleasant, I am unwilling to say that he set out with the intention to leave those kinds of marks without having been there myself. I do specifically remember that a text he sent to the child's mother was released and it was him saying something along the lines of "now that I see the marks on him I feel bad about it." Now you may say "well he shouldn't have ever lifted a switch to his child in the first place." To that I would say you're entitled to your opinion, but some people, myself included, believe in corporal punishment. It was used on me and my 4 siblings, my wife and her 4 siblings, my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and most of my friends. They're all well adjusted people today. None complaining of being scarred or traumatized by their experience. In fact I believe they would all say, and I would definitely say that I'm glad my parents whipped me. I learned at a young age that trouble was not something I wanted any part of, and that remains with me to this day. And I didn't get whipped a lot because I was smart enough to learn my lesson each time. The only downside to it is that occasionally someone may not take the time to remove themselves from the heat of the situation. By that I mean, a child may make a big time mistake, and the parent could understandably be angry and not give themselves a moment to calm down before disciplining the child. I learned myself that it's best to calm down before doling out punishment, having left some slight bruising on my oldest son's backside once because I did it while I was still mad. I felt bad about it, and it hasn't happened again. Now you may say "but what could a 4 year old possibly do to anger him so much?" As a father of 6...yes, 6... I can tell you firsthand about the kind of destruction and devastation a 4 year old is capable of. My children have destroyed things that made my blood boil, but after learning the lesson with my son, I now remove myself for however long it takes to calm down before coming back to discipline. But it takes making mistakes to learn from them.. and I'm pretty sure he learned from his. Who here amongst us is perfect? Who here hasn't done something they so deeply regret that they just wish they could go back in time and redo the whole thing? We're quick to cast stones at folks whose dirty laundry ends up in public, but if ours got out what would people think of us? I guess what I'm saying is.. none of us really know the man, and it's asinine and hypocritical to say that you know he's a p.o.s. because of one incident. Also, pretty sure not a single one of you would dare say it to his face, so... just stop.

I'm off my soap box now.

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 746023)

That indeed was an extremely ugly episode... but I don't think that equates to a player being a "problem"...