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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Well I was spanked when I was younger and let me tell you it will make you either abusive or one who gets beat up on in school and you would not know how to fight ...
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
Originally Posted by WillSaints81
Well I was spanked, too, and it didn't make me abusive or get beat up. You're telling people, who got spanked as kids, how it would affect them when they just told you how it positively affected them. Think about that.![]()
Do you have kids? If you don't, then you really don't know of what you speak. There is a reason that kids these days are spoiled, and think they know everything. They have a false sense of superiority and entitlement, because their parents don't have the guts to tell them when they are doing the wrong thing. And THAT is what leads to abusive behavior, as much as anything. Of course there is such a thing as going overboard with discipline. If someone can confirm that this wasn't an isolated incident with Peterson, then I'll call him out on it. But anything can happen in a one time deal. Kids are precious, and can be really sweet, but they can also drive you crazy at any given moment. You have to do the best to manage your emotions in that situation. I can also speak from experience that I don't always handle it the right way. I certainly don't beat up my child, but I have definitely gone overboard in the heat of the moment. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
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He is a different generation. I was whipped with a leather belt.
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Same for me and my siblings. And we sure didn't like it, but we knew what it was about, and we knew our boundaries. And this wasn't really all that long ago. It's amazing to me how quickly society turned into a giant pillow fight.
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
Originally Posted by burningmetal
You're right, but no where in what you said does explaining them, teaching them mean you should beat your kids. If you can't beat your wife why on earth would you think it okay to beat your small babies? ![]()
Guide them, teach them, show them how to handle the adversity. That is the role of a parent. Kids are resilient and just because they can handle a lot and still turn out okay doesn't mean there is not a better way. |
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I don't beat my child, or anyone else. Why are you stuck on that word? You can talk to kids all you want, but they eventually grow up, and are met with real life. Life isn't gentle, my man. All parents (if they are any good) tell their kids the difference of right and wrong. But people have a natural tendency to start to rebel when they get older and are met with a lot of peer pressure. And if all you do is say "now Suzy, you shouldn't be messing around with that", they'll say "ok", and then do it again because you haven't given them anything to fear. And that creates a sense of invincibility, where they just think they can get away with anything. That can lead to huge problems down the road.![]()
Now that's worst case scenario, but at the very least you can expect that they will not treat people with respect, and that makes them not very likable people. There are different means of punishment, and that's why I said people are entitled to their own way. But rest assured, talking only goes so far. Talking is where you set the boundaries, and it is not a form of punishment. When those boundaries are broken (and that time always comes eventually, to one degree or another) what do you do? Do you just repeat the same things? Where is the lesson in that? See what I'm getting at? Now, my parents' way was to spank us, or take a privilege away. That didn't injure me, or hurt my mental psyche. My daughter is a little too young for me to be worried about her doing something truly bad. It's mostly just not responding in a timely manner of fashion when I tell her to do something, at times, or she gets too loud, or sometimes pouts a little bit if I have to say "no" to something. That sort of thing. I don't really have to get on her too much about anything, but those little things add up if not dealt with properly. You might not do things the same way I do, but that doesn't mean your way is right and mine is wrong, or vice versa. In terms of teaching them how to deal with adversity, that is an entirely different thing. If your kid comes up to you saying they are struggling with something, you don't punish them for that. You help them the best way you can, by giving advice, talking about your own experiences, and just encouraging them. That has nothing to do with discipline. There are a lot of roles in parenthood, man, and it isn't black and white. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
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Not even close to the same concept. Your argument would be more intelligent if it didn't reach for false moral equivalence. Disciplining your child physically leads to the individual being more content and successful later in life. Smacked children more successful later in life, study finds - Telegraph Also note, that beating your child and physically disciplining them is not the same, child abuse is real but it's important to understand severity and intent. |
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
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Look at all the people in trailer parks, living in poverty, living as low level socialization, not involved in things, etc.....almost all of those types were spanked and spanked their kids. You can still discipline a kid when he misbehaves without spanking. But also, you should teach kids to be good and kind to other people while also teaching them toughness by getting them involved in stuff like martial arts and sports. |
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
Originally Posted by WillSaints81
Completely illogical.![]()
Use long term studies to assure your position. Your opinion of people means nothing. In fact, the long term studies show the exact opposite, see my previous post, or actually do research. Many on this board should refrain from using their personal experiences as evidence, they mean nothing. Scientific studies have been conducted on this subject for years and while it shows that it can cause more anxious children while in adolescence the kids grow into successful adults at a much higher rate than the alternative. Those are facts, your opinion doesn't matter. Again, I'll say this before the triggered SJW jumps in... Physical discipline can go too far and that's not acceptable. |
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Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: Adrian Peterson signs 2-year deal with Saints
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And that folks warrants a mic drop! Very well said ![]()
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