About the Joker RB thing

neugey · 05-02-2017, 09:26 AM

I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB?

There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB?

There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

That was my criticism of spending two picks, including a valuable second round pick on a slot back, scat-back, or now a joker (running back)...

Rather than spend that kind of draft capital, wouldn't it have been better to sign one or two veterans to compete in camp and bridge to next year's draft.

For where we slotted into after that trade, we could have added a number of players who would seen more snaps than Kamara will...

We could have had DE Jordan Willis, LG Dan Feeney, DE Chris Wormley, DE Dawuane Smoot, WR Cooper Kupp or LB Duke Riley...

Seer1 · 05-02-2017, 11:49 AM

Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas.

burningmetal · 05-02-2017, 12:16 PM

Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble.

I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie".

Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years.

I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.

Seer1 · 05-02-2017, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble.

I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie".

Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple years.

I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.

I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

burningmetal · 05-02-2017, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

Yeah, I think he will help kind of fill that void in Payton's system for now, but long term is capable of being the lead man, and if he reaches his potential, will create better opportunities for play-action than we've had in some time. For years we've had guys with defined roles, where you pretty much knew what the play was going to be, depending on which RB was in the game. That has always infuriated me. Kamara, in time, could finally solve that issue. So for that reason, I like him a lot. Giving up that second round pick did sting, though.

We shall see, in time.

The Dude · 05-02-2017, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas.

If you think PAyton will be unemployed less than a day and at anything other than the head coach position you're nuts.

Rugby Saint II · 05-02-2017, 01:52 PM

Kamara is the chess piece Sean Payton needs. We didn't have anyone besides Cadet to play that joker role.......hopefully this means Cadet is cut. I know that Payton likes his reliability but he is just nothing more than dependable. I want dynamic plays from RB and I think Kamara can offer us that.

Euphoria · 05-02-2017, 02:04 PM

I don't see Charles as the scat back.

Keep in mind a draft pic we lock up at a good price for a few years instead of a decent pay check for a year maybe? And when he is out for the season then what?

K Major · 05-02-2017, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Kamara is the chess piece Sean Payton needs. We didn't have anyone besides Cadet to play that joker role....... I want dynamic plays from RB and I think Kamara can offer us that.

Based on a lot of scouting reports I've read, Kamara should be able to impact this team immediately. Sean Payton's style of offense is all about mismatches. I think this was a solid pick and needed.

With the additions of AP, Ginn and now a young Kamara, this offense could be deadly in 2017.

05-02-2017, 09:26 AM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	About the Joker RB thing I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB? There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

05-02-2017, 09:52 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by neugey I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB? There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP? That was my criticism of spending two picks, including a valuable second round pick on a slot back, scat-back, or now a joker (running back)... Rather than spend that kind of draft capital, wouldn't it have been better to sign one or two veterans to compete in camp and bridge to next year's draft. For where we slotted into after that trade, we could have added a number of players who would seen more snaps than Kamara will... We could have had DE Jordan Willis, LG Dan Feeney, DE Chris Wormley, DE Dawuane Smoot, WR Cooper Kupp or LB Duke Riley...
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05-02-2017, 11:49 AM	#3
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: About the Joker RB thing Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-02-2017, 12:16 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: About the Joker RB thing Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble. I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie". Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years. I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.
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05-02-2017, 12:28 PM	#5
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by burningmetal Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble. I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie". Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple years. I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was. I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

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05-02-2017, 12:56 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by Seer1 I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait! Yeah, I think he will help kind of fill that void in Payton's system for now, but long term is capable of being the lead man, and if he reaches his potential, will create better opportunities for play-action than we've had in some time. For years we've had guys with defined roles, where you pretty much knew what the play was going to be, depending on which RB was in the game. That has always infuriated me. Kamara, in time, could finally solve that issue. So for that reason, I like him a lot. Giving up that second round pick did sting, though. We shall see, in time. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: About the Joker RB thing Kamara is the chess piece Sean Payton needs. We didn't have anyone besides Cadet to play that joker role.......hopefully this means Cadet is cut. I know that Payton likes his reliability but he is just nothing more than dependable. I want dynamic plays from RB and I think Kamara can offer us that. K Major likes this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: About the Joker RB thing I don't see Charles as the scat back. Keep in mind a draft pic we lock up at a good price for a few years instead of a decent pay check for a year maybe? And when he is out for the season then what?

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Kamara is the chess piece Sean Payton needs. We didn't have anyone besides Cadet to play that joker role....... I want dynamic plays from RB and I think Kamara can offer us that. Based on a lot of scouting reports I've read, Kamara should be able to impact this team immediately. Sean Payton's style of offense is all about mismatches. I think this was a solid pick and needed. With the additions of AP, Ginn and now a young Kamara, this offense could be deadly in 2017. AsylumGuido and \|Mitch\| like this.

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