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Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hagan714 oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard . Lol, Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now ....
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05-02-2017, 04:04 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by hagan714
Lol,
Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now  .
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05-02-2017, 04:12 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by K Major
If Achilles sits
 and Howard blows up the NFL, oh heck no  Let the four year head to head start now |
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05-02-2017, 04:23 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by hagan714
Look how fluid his hips are in this video & top speed to go with it. Notice his head is already turned around. It's the little things. Pretty damn impressive from a Pro prospect. Where is Rez when I need him (lol). Hagin, consider yourself warned. Lattimore will be a play maker in B&G.
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05-02-2017, 05:13 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by K Major
Question is, Can Lattimore do this for sixteen (16) regular season games and three~four post-season games?
No one doubts the talent, it's whether his hamstrings can hold up... We've got the same problem with this linebacker, his name is Ellerbe, you probably haven't heard of him as he doesn't get on the field that much... All seriousness, talent alone, he was a Top 5 pick for sure, it's the question of whether he will consistently be "available" as the ole ball coach says... But he's potentially the best cornerback we have ever drafted...Nonetheless, I'm excited to see him in action... |
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05-02-2017, 05:22 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
What gives you the feeling that he couldn't do it for sixteen (plus) games? He has had no recurrence of the hamstring issues that he experienced during his growth spurt. He didn't have any issues at all with them this past season.
I have a son that was a Division I athlete that went through the same growth spurt around the same time in his career. The difference with him was his discipline relied upon the slow twitch muscles so it was never an issue. Lattimore's problem was that the fast twitch muscles required for his discipline can't handle the added stress until they "catch up" to the new body structure. The apparently caught up and are no longer an issue. |
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05-02-2017, 07:10 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Guido, from what you've shared, I imagine your 50+ in years...
Lattimore has struggled with this since he was in high school, which was 3+ years ago... You and I both know 3 years is an eternity at their age, but not after seeing as many winters as ours... I won't speak for other old farts (cough, hagan, cough), but for me, I will say that I categorize my feelings on Lattimore as cautious optimism and intrigue... As someone who worked at Tulane Hospital - Orthopedics to pay my way through school, I understand how these things can quickly go one way or the other... However, I will agree with Hagan on an earlier point though that the Saints have an easy laissez faire attitude on injuries and kinesiology in general... Better still I'll recall some concerns made yesterday by paraphrasing Eric Asher from his Monday radio show... We (Saints) have had a systemic problem as an organization keeping players healthy especially in recent years; Asher questioned the wisdom of continuing to draft oft-injured players and while keeping the partnership of Ochsner Sports Medicine who the Saints have not had a "healthy" run with since aligning with them... Asher really called it when you factor these two concurrent forces working against the success of the team... Again, I'm cautiously optimistic and really, truly look forward to having two true shutdown CBs... But the chronic problem of players being available and returning quickly to being available bears closer scrutiny... |
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05-03-2017, 07:57 AM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Yes, 50+ for sure and by week one of the 2017 season you can update that to 60+. (I do accept monetary gifts if anyone is so inclined)
And I am slightly more than "cautiously" optimistic when comes to Lattimore, and that doesn't have to do with his former medical history, it has to do with the history of CB's as a whole for the Saints. When a player has chronic (non age related) hamstring issues you would expect some sort of impact on a regular ongoing basis. They pop up on injury reports on an annual basis. In Lattimore's case he was totally free from any related problem throughout his last season at OSU. I see that as VERY promising. And, yes, I agree about the Saints history with injuries, but do not know how it could be addressed, especially under the most recent CBA. Injuries to supportive tissues such as ACL's and the like very difficult to prevent, especially within the window of time now allowed. Preventative measures include strengthening all of the surrounding muscles in a balanced nature. They key here is the term "balanced". From the research I have done on the subject I have learned that unless the muscle groups are strengthened to a somewhat equivalent degree it can actually increase the probability of supportive tissue injury. This requires a very dedicated training regimen that cannot only take place during "official" team activity periods. It requires near year round workouts. That puts the onus on the players themselves. That worries me. I also can see an issue with Payton's passion for the crossfit training method. Each player grouping, and even individual players, should be training in a manner that best fits their individual position requirements and their personal body type. Once again, difficult to accomplish given the reduced hours, and days, allowed under the current CBA. |
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05-02-2017, 07:22 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by K Major
Coaches used to curse me out for flipping my hips to the inside on a go like he just did instead of turning and facing the receiver. I told them when the ball is in the air I'm the receiver and if I'm facing the receiver I'll be more likely to reach and grab. I rather run with him and lean into him using my outside arm to keep track of him until I can make a play on the ball. His coverage is BEAUTIFUL off the line when you watch him play. I love this pick man. Plus...he's got WAY more speed then I ever had.
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05-04-2017, 08:41 AM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by K Major
let it go? say whay? i will try but i keep track of these things
2006 2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia 34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland 99 Jahri Evans OT Bloomsburg 135 Dawan Landry S Georgia Tech 171 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M 210 Zach Strief OT Northwestern 2007 27 Ben Grubbs G Auburn 58 Ryan Kalil C USC 125 Jermon Bushrod OT Towson 2008 10 Ryan Clady OT Boise State 40 Matt Forté RB Tulane 78 Cliff Avril DE Purdue 113 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M 2009 14 Brian Cushing LB USC Trade Shokey TE NYG Trade Vilma 164 Chris Clemons S Clemson 2010 Patrick Robinson CB FSU Brandon LaFell WR LSU Dennis Pitta TE BYU Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech 2011 Cameron Jordan DE John Moffitt G Wisconsin Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh Pernell McPhee DE Miss St 2012 27 Nick Perry LB USC 89 Nigel Bradham LB FSU 122 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee 162 Jeremy Lane CB NW State 179 J R Sweezy OG NC State 2013 15 Alec Ogletree, WLB 75 Terron Armstead, OT 144 A.J.Klein MLB 2014 27 SS Deone Bucannon Washington St 57 WR Allen Robinson Penn St 91 RB Jerrick Mckinnon Georgia Southern 167 C Tyler Larsen Utah St. 202 OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill - RG 2015 13 WR DeVante Parker Louiville 33 DT Malcom Brown OSU 44 OT Jake Fisher Oregan 75 OLB Eli Harold Virgina 78 CB P.J. Williams FSU 154 CB Charles Gaines Louisville 2016 1 - Laremy Tunsil ROT Ole Miss 2 - Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 3 - Justin Simmons DB Boston College 4 - Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State 5 - DJ Reader NT Clemson Sean Davis vs Vonn Bell 2017 O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr Ryan Ramczyk ROT/OG Wisconsin 6052 314 5.29 #65 rJr Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6040 266 4.64 #9 Sr (117) NE (From Saints) - Cook trade Redskins (From Saints) - George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr Brandon Wilson, RB/KR/CB, Houston 5101 198 4.40 #26 rSr Kai Nacua, FS/SS, BYU 6005 209 4.50 #12 Sr not a chance
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05-04-2017, 09:56 PM
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Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...
Originally Posted by hagan714
Look at the offensive lineman we got those first couple years. Payton saw the future withBrees and built around him. We wound up having the best line in the league a few years there.
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