Playoffs or bust?

The Dude · 06-21-2017, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. You said you have to look back at past failures if you want to be successful. So you agree that looking at past failures, something that you are obsessed with, has no impact on the future success of our team?

You have the total right to look at the world in any manner you choose. You can believe the current roster is 7-9. Fine. Pessimistic and negative.

Myself, I look at the current roster as 0-0 at this point and with all sorts of potential. Optimistic and positive.

I am also the realist between us. I know that nothing I can do or say can affect the success of the team at all as you have been implying all along.

And disregarding failures by a professional football team in the past is what a fan should do. Why waste energy and time worrying about things that you cannot affect. It is best to look ahead and hope for the best.

Tell me, exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

He's talking about in life you moron. Parallel to football. Personally you have to learn from your mistakes and do what needs to be done to fix them. Any aspect of life is this way weather it's a football team or the history of the world.
He's trying to explain to you how normal people come to there conclusions.

The Dude · 06-21-2017, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

No, this is a lie that has already been addressed. You stated previously on here how your "positivity" helped you heal the cancer. I am just talking about what you said. It isn't negativity you seek to avoid, it is reality. You have an inability to deal with it per your own words. You live in a made up world shallow hal.

I totally agree that having a positive outlook in your own life can change how your life turns out drastically. I do believe the will to survive and positive determination can cure disease.
I believe in your own business envisioning success leads to success. Positive thinking DOES lead to positive results in ones own life along with learning from and changing the negative aspect of your past and present.

That is personal life, not football. You can't just will a team to win which he seems to think he can. I think he has a problem separating life and sports.

It's a football team whose job is to win Super Bowls. Nothing wrong with us as fans discussing what we think should happen or what we would do if we COULD do something about it. I'm going to stop because we clearly aren't dealing with a rational person.
He seems like a good person, a caring person, and probably someone whose positivity would rub off on you when it comes to aspects of your personal life, but when it comes to the Saints he goes into lala land.

Even worse he expects everyone else to join him.

The Dude · 06-21-2017, 04:50 PM

But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I have not seen anyone, anywhere, post anything about being able to change the outcome of what would happen god forbid we have another losing season.
I think this is something you are making up in your head and perceiving as reality. We are talking about what we would want to happen. Again we aren't talking about passing out petitions or calling Benson and the governor demanding change.

Wrong, Dude. spkb25 claimed on multiple occasions that he does and we should look at past failures to make sure things are done better in the future. That was his explanation for constantly dwelling on negative aspects of the franchises recent past. I can take some time and link every thread where he made that argument if you wish.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room.

I would be shocked if we don't win the opener at Minny.

dizzle88 · 06-21-2017, 06:31 PM

I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?"

In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013.

The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons.

I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures.

No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected.

You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?"

In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013.

The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons.

I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures.

No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected.

You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre.

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

dizzle88 · 06-21-2017, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

spkb25 · 06-21-2017, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

And that's what it is all about. You churn 3 straight 7-9 seasons, 4 of the last 5 seasons, you're on your third d coord and set a record for dead money. You don't brush that away as if it doesn't exist, didn't exist, etc. If we were making good moves those things would not have happened.

If as a fan you choose to pump sunshine and rainbows I don't have a problem with it. I think when it becomes an issue is when you go around attacking the other members of the board for talking about facts and why they're hesitant to get sucked in again and not really look at who this team is, etc. Pump sunshine all day if it tickles your fancy, but leave those with a critical view of the team to share their thoughts without being bothered.

The Dude · 06-21-2017, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

Now your just putting words in peoples mouths .

Since you are so hung up on fact checking please show me how you arrived at that conclusion. Show us the quote of him saying that. Really I want to see your translation of what you think he said. What would lead you to believe that he because he values the past he must think we are going to have the same record.

06-21-2017, 04:25 PM	#101
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. You said you have to look back at past failures if you want to be successful. So you agree that looking at past failures, something that you are obsessed with, has no impact on the future success of our team? You have the total right to look at the world in any manner you choose. You can believe the current roster is 7-9. Fine. Pessimistic and negative. Myself, I look at the current roster as 0-0 at this point and with all sorts of potential. Optimistic and positive. I am also the realist between us. I know that nothing I can do or say can affect the success of the team at all as you have been implying all along. And disregarding failures by a professional football team in the past is what a fan should do. Why waste energy and time worrying about things that you cannot affect. It is best to look ahead and hope for the best. Tell me, exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints? He's talking about in life you moron. Parallel to football. Personally you have to learn from your mistakes and do what needs to be done to fix them. Any aspect of life is this way weather it's a football team or the history of the world. He's trying to explain to you how normal people come to there conclusions. spkb25 likes this.
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06-21-2017, 04:40 PM	#102
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by spkb25 No, this is a lie that has already been addressed. You stated previously on here how your "positivity" helped you heal the cancer. I am just talking about what you said. It isn't negativity you seek to avoid, it is reality. You have an inability to deal with it per your own words. You live in a made up world shallow hal. I totally agree that having a positive outlook in your own life can change how your life turns out drastically. I do believe the will to survive and positive determination can cure disease. I believe in your own business envisioning success leads to success. Positive thinking DOES lead to positive results in ones own life along with learning from and changing the negative aspect of your past and present. That is personal life, not football. You can't just will a team to win which he seems to think he can. I think he has a problem separating life and sports. It's a football team whose job is to win Super Bowls. Nothing wrong with us as fans discussing what we think should happen or what we would do if we COULD do something about it. I'm going to stop because we clearly aren't dealing with a rational person. He seems like a good person, a caring person, and probably someone whose positivity would rub off on you when it comes to aspects of your personal life, but when it comes to the Saints he goes into lala land. Even worse he expects everyone else to join him. spkb25 likes this.
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06-21-2017, 04:50 PM	#103
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Playoffs or bust? But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room. spkb25 likes this.
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06-21-2017, 05:47 PM	#104
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by The Dude I have not seen anyone, anywhere, post anything about being able to change the outcome of what would happen god forbid we have another losing season. I think this is something you are making up in your head and perceiving as reality. We are talking about what we would want to happen. Again we aren't talking about passing out petitions or calling Benson and the governor demanding change. Wrong, Dude. spkb25 claimed on multiple occasions that he does and we should look at past failures to make sure things are done better in the future. That was his explanation for constantly dwelling on negative aspects of the franchises recent past. I can take some time and link every thread where he made that argument if you wish.

06-21-2017, 05:48 PM	#105
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by The Dude But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room. I would be shocked if we don't win the opener at Minny.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Playoffs or bust? I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?" In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013. The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons. I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures. No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected. You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre. jnormand and spkb25 like this.
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06-21-2017, 07:04 PM	#107
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?" In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013. The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons. I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures. No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected. You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre. So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

06-21-2017, 07:22 PM	#108
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz? I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort. I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

06-21-2017, 08:12 PM	#109
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort. I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie. And that's what it is all about. You churn 3 straight 7-9 seasons, 4 of the last 5 seasons, you're on your third d coord and set a record for dead money. You don't brush that away as if it doesn't exist, didn't exist, etc. If we were making good moves those things would not have happened. If as a fan you choose to pump sunshine and rainbows I don't have a problem with it. I think when it becomes an issue is when you go around attacking the other members of the board for talking about facts and why they're hesitant to get sucked in again and not really look at who this team is, etc. Pump sunshine all day if it tickles your fancy, but leave those with a critical view of the team to share their thoughts without being bothered. dizzle88 and The Dude like this.
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06-21-2017, 08:44 PM	#110
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz? Now your just putting words in peoples mouths . Since you are so hung up on fact checking please show me how you arrived at that conclusion. Show us the quote of him saying that. Really I want to see your translation of what you think he said. What would lead you to believe that he because he values the past he must think we are going to have the same record. spkb25 and dizzle88 like this.
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