Should Brees sit out training camp?

skymike · 07-17-2017, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It is a fair question. ... He and Ginn don't have their timing down yet ...

Just float it way downfield, like you would for Devery. It might get dropped, but if it doesnt, its 6.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-17-2017, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not happening under any circumstances.

This. Remember when Brees was out for the game against Carolina? Dude was on the sidelines running through his reads for the called plays.

The same drive and personality that makes him a HOF QB also is the same drive and personality that makes it virtually impossible for him to take a break. We should be lucky that he understands that preseason games are a waste of time and that 4 quarters during the preseason is enough to get prepped in game conditions.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This. Remember when Brees was out for the game against Carolina? Dude was on the sidelines running through his reads for the called plays.

The same drive and personality that makes him a HOF QB also is the same drive and personality that makes it virtually impossible for him to take a break. We should be lucky that he understands that preseason games are a waste of time and that 4 quarters during the preseason is enough to get prepped in game conditions.

SFIAH

What seems so obvious to most appears foreign to a few.

foreverfan · 07-17-2017, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

You are funny, but I am glad they moved TC out of that girlie-spa in WVa

Me funny? GTFOOH.

halloween 65 · 07-17-2017, 01:04 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing 2 backups battling it out for the #2 spot. We know who's going to start but maybe a peak into what really sits behind Brees?

WillSaints81 · 07-18-2017, 04:46 PM

This imo is one of the problems. Brees does not play enough in preseason as it is and as a result if the backup QBs are not playing well, we will not get a good estimate of the defense if they are being put back on the field constantly.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-18-2017, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

This imo is one of the problems. Brees does not play enough in preseason as it is and as a result if the backup QBs are not playing well, we will not get a good estimate of the defense if they are being put back on the field constantly.

Will, as usual everything is a problem. In fact your point is moot on several fronts:

1. Preseason is a waste of time. Everyone runs vanilla schemes and starters generally only play enough to break a sweat.

2. By the time teams get to the backup QBs, both teams have gone to the second string on both sides of the ball. So the guys out there on defense often will not be the guys playing in September when the flack starts flying.

3. The purpose of preseason is to evaluate talent under real time conditions. Established starters are generally not the focus of that evaluation process.

The Saints defense needs to do the two of three things they always needed to do. Keep defensive scoring in the low 20's, get off the field, stay healthy, and create turnovers. Nothing that happens in preseason is really going to predict any of those items other than if players play more in the preseason, the more likely they are to be injured in the process.

Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell.

SFIAH

SmashMouth · 07-18-2017, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Do like Farve and take it light. Would be a shame for him to get injured and he is getting older. Already knows playbook backwards and forwards.

Should Brees sit out?

NO!!!

AsylumGuido · 07-18-2017, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell.

SFIAH

^^^^^
This!

Training camp will not tell us anything about what we will see from the defense come the regular season. Although, we hear it every year ... I am preparing myself for the declarations of doom and gloom if the defense gives up 30 points in the second preseason game.

WillSaints81 · 07-18-2017, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Will, as usual everything is a problem. In fact your point is moot on several fronts:

1. Preseason is a waste of time. Everyone runs vanilla schemes and starters generally only play enough to break a sweat.

2. By the time teams get to the backup QBs, both teams have gone to the second string on both sides of the ball. So the guys out there on defense often will not be the guys playing in September when the flack starts flying.

3. The purpose of preseason is to evaluate talent under real time conditions. Established starters are generally not the focus of that evaluation process.

The Saints defense needs to do the two of three things they always needed to do. Keep defensive scoring in the low 20's, get off the field, stay healthy, and create turnovers. Nothing that happens in preseason is really going to predict any of those items other than if players play more in the preseason, the more likely they are to be injured in the process.

Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell.

SFIAH

You think I don't know teams run vanilla schemes in pre-season? It's the posters here bringing up the 2009 preseason to measure up against what this preseason will have. Still, a defense that keeps being put back on the field in one half is still gonna be worn down.

07-17-2017, 11:29 AM	#21
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It is a fair question. ... He and Ginn don't have their timing down yet ... Just float it way downfield, like you would for Devery. It might get dropped, but if it doesnt, its 6.

07-17-2017, 11:35 AM	#22
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by K Major Not happening under any circumstances. This. Remember when Brees was out for the game against Carolina? Dude was on the sidelines running through his reads for the called plays. The same drive and personality that makes him a HOF QB also is the same drive and personality that makes it virtually impossible for him to take a break. We should be lucky that he understands that preseason games are a waste of time and that 4 quarters during the preseason is enough to get prepped in game conditions. SFIAH AsylumGuido and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This. Remember when Brees was out for the game against Carolina? Dude was on the sidelines running through his reads for the called plays. The same drive and personality that makes him a HOF QB also is the same drive and personality that makes it virtually impossible for him to take a break. We should be lucky that he understands that preseason games are a waste of time and that 4 quarters during the preseason is enough to get prepped in game conditions. SFIAH What seems so obvious to most appears foreign to a few.

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by skymike You are funny, but I am glad they moved TC out of that girlie-spa in WVa Me funny? GTFOOH.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? This imo is one of the problems. Brees does not play enough in preseason as it is and as a result if the backup QBs are not playing well, we will not get a good estimate of the defense if they are being put back on the field constantly.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 This imo is one of the problems. Brees does not play enough in preseason as it is and as a result if the backup QBs are not playing well, we will not get a good estimate of the defense if they are being put back on the field constantly. Will, as usual everything is a problem. In fact your point is moot on several fronts: 1. Preseason is a waste of time. Everyone runs vanilla schemes and starters generally only play enough to break a sweat. 2. By the time teams get to the backup QBs, both teams have gone to the second string on both sides of the ball. So the guys out there on defense often will not be the guys playing in September when the flack starts flying. 3. The purpose of preseason is to evaluate talent under real time conditions. Established starters are generally not the focus of that evaluation process. The Saints defense needs to do the two of three things they always needed to do. Keep defensive scoring in the low 20's, get off the field, stay healthy, and create turnovers. Nothing that happens in preseason is really going to predict any of those items other than if players play more in the preseason, the more likely they are to be injured in the process. Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by The Dude Do like Farve and take it light. Would be a shame for him to get injured and he is getting older. Already knows playbook backwards and forwards. Should Brees sit out? NO!!!

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell. SFIAH ^^^^^ This! Training camp will not tell us anything about what we will see from the defense come the regular season. Although, we hear it every year ... I am preparing myself for the declarations of doom and gloom if the defense gives up 30 points in the second preseason game.

07-18-2017, 06:08 PM	#30
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Should Brees sit out training camp? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Will, as usual everything is a problem. In fact your point is moot on several fronts: 1. Preseason is a waste of time. Everyone runs vanilla schemes and starters generally only play enough to break a sweat. 2. By the time teams get to the backup QBs, both teams have gone to the second string on both sides of the ball. So the guys out there on defense often will not be the guys playing in September when the flack starts flying. 3. The purpose of preseason is to evaluate talent under real time conditions. Established starters are generally not the focus of that evaluation process. The Saints defense needs to do the two of three things they always needed to do. Keep defensive scoring in the low 20's, get off the field, stay healthy, and create turnovers. Nothing that happens in preseason is really going to predict any of those items other than if players play more in the preseason, the more likely they are to be injured in the process. Will the defense actually be better? I'm unsure. Will we know one way or another in the preseason? No way in hell. SFIAH You think I don't know teams run vanilla schemes in pre-season? It's the posters here bringing up the 2009 preseason to measure up against what this preseason will have. Still, a defense that keeps being put back on the field in one half is still gonna be worn down.

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