Hook, Line , and Sphincter

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:10 AM

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it.

And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me.

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed.

All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans.

Just bad luck IMO.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

65,000,000, I think

07-28-2017, 10:10 AM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. jnormand and mleg1972 like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,736	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it. And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me. mleg1972 likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.
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07-28-2017, 10:49 AM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much. But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone. It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,736	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap? Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed. All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans. Just bad luck IMO. AsylumGuido and CharityMike like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. 65,000,000, I think

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