Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense

08-05-2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Casting a cautious eye on some of these deep balls that Vonn Bell seems to be late getting over to help...

Especially now that they're practicing in Cover 2 and he has half the field now that he's responsible...

It's early, and I'm sure D.A. and Bell will get it fixed because I don't want another season of not getting off the field on 3rd downs...

Definitely noticing a hesitation or misstep that's really costing him (and the whole defense) those precious few moments that make the difference between getting off the field and getting gashed for another 1st or worse, a score.

jeanpierre · 08-06-2017, 07:22 AM

For me, the guy's who's development is most important this season is Marcus Williams...

I don't think we'll see many heavy nickel sets (3-safeties) as we've now got legit linebackers on the roster...

So he and Bell will have to compete and I believe Williams is the better athlete, playmaker that we need there...

If Bell continues to progress along his arc, then you may not forced to spend as much on Vaccaro's contract...

Gotta feeling Vaccaro, though, is going to be like Ingram on offense, where he really doesn't get it till after Year 5...

Then, you almost have to recoup your investment...

Rugby Saint II · 08-06-2017, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Early going: Five (5) Safeties - Kenny Vaccaro, Vonn Bell, Marcus Williams, Raphael Bush, Chris Banjo...

Erik Harris needs to step up...

Why do you like Banjo over Harris?

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Early going: Six (6) Cornerbacks - Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Crawley

Next group - Moore, Maulet

Final spot - Harris and Swann

Rough start for Swann, but he's picked it up...

Moore and Maulet have to show higher ceilings...

Harris needs to take the next step...

Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann?

The Dude · 08-06-2017, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Why do you like Banjo over Harris?

Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann?

Moore is proven, durable, consistent, and brings a little leadership to the position.
He's not a pro bowler and probably never will be but you can usually count on him.
Swann just has injury issues so who knows what the call is there. Probably be a last minute decision between the two.
I think Moore is pretty safe unless he gets hurt. He's a good insurance policy.

hagan714 · 08-06-2017, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I've been really struggling to find a leap from Vonn Bell. Call me crazy but I think he's in real trouble, especially with Bush and Harris returning.

Just a gut feeling that he needs to put up or shut up right quick like.

This stood out more than I thought it would last year were as he did a better job at tackling than I expected.

I fear we now have two safeties with the same skill set.

Are Kenny and Von are two peas in a pod?

Time will tell

The Dude · 08-06-2017, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Maybe they are working on Cover 2 a lot because that is what we are weakest at, but we need to be able to mix it in every now and then in game situations so we are not predictable and staying in man all game. Not worried about the square peg/round hole just yet.

I head several players say their focus will be man to man more this year. I agree the emphasis on cover 2 is because they need extra work there to be more complete.

|Mitch| · 08-06-2017, 11:19 PM

And a lot more press from what I hear

08-05-2017, 12:20 PM	#31
Threaded by WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Casting a cautious eye on some of these deep balls that Vonn Bell seems to be late getting over to help... Especially now that they're practicing in Cover 2 and he has half the field now that he's responsible... It's early, and I'm sure D.A. and Bell will get it fixed because I don't want another season of not getting off the field on 3rd downs... Definitely noticing a hesitation or misstep that's really costing him (and the whole defense) those precious few moments that make the difference between getting off the field and getting gashed for another 1st or worse, a score.
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08-06-2017, 07:22 AM	#32
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense Originally Posted by jeanpierre Early going: Five (5) Safeties - Kenny Vaccaro, Vonn Bell, Marcus Williams, Raphael Bush, Chris Banjo... Erik Harris needs to step up... Why do you like Banjo over Harris? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Early going: Six (6) Cornerbacks - Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Crawley Next group - Moore, Maulet Final spot - Harris and Swann Rough start for Swann, but he's picked it up... Moore and Maulet have to show higher ceilings... Harris needs to take the next step... Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann?

08-06-2017, 04:01 PM	#34
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Why do you like Banjo over Harris? Why do you like Moore and Maulet over Harris and Swann? Moore is proven, durable, consistent, and brings a little leadership to the position. He's not a pro bowler and probably never will be but you can usually count on him. Swann just has injury issues so who knows what the call is there. Probably be a last minute decision between the two. I think Moore is pretty safe unless he gets hurt. He's a good insurance policy. WillMacKenzie likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I've been really struggling to find a leap from Vonn Bell. Call me crazy but I think he's in real trouble, especially with Bush and Harris returning. Just a gut feeling that he needs to put up or shut up right quick like. This stood out more than I thought it would last year were as he did a better job at tackling than I expected. I fear we now have two safeties with the same skill set. Are Kenny and Von are two peas in a pod? Time will tell WillMacKenzie likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints secondary is aiming to be the strength of the defense Originally Posted by neugey Maybe they are working on Cover 2 a lot because that is what we are weakest at, but we need to be able to mix it in every now and then in game situations so we are not predictable and staying in man all game. Not worried about the square peg/round hole just yet. I head several players say their focus will be man to man more this year. I agree the emphasis on cover 2 is because they need extra work there to be more complete.
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