It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

neugey · 09-18-2017, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Benson's an old man and the seats at the Dome keep getting filled.
Don't see him making the radical changes needed at this point. The
sad thing is the Staff knows it and they keep cashing the paychecks.
The Glory season has long been over and all that is left is clutching at
memories of a time from a long time ago.

I was doing some thinking this morning and I think we might have a culture that is far more toxic than the bad days of the Haslett and Ditka eras. Payton plays favorites and the accountability is uneven at best. We could have a corporate mentality where ever player is out for themselves and the bonding between our players, the trust, is only there on the surface.

We'd be better off with a new enthusiastic coach players are willing to play hard and fall on a grenade for, even if that coach isn't as accomplished as Payton.

We should also not get caught up in the offensive vs defense mindset of looking for head coaches. After all, we once hired the defensive Haslett and it ended up being mainly the offense that flourished!

Kryptonite · 09-18-2017, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Everyone had better be careful what they wish for.

Would a "worser" (sp) team (one w/o Payton and Brees) be any "worse" than a currently "bad" team (one w/Payton and Brees)? Am I missing something?

Rugby Saint II · 09-18-2017, 11:35 AM

Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit.

I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.

nola_swammi · 09-18-2017, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

we have started 0-2 or 0-3 4 straight years. I think it is over. Turn what around? Do you really believe this is a playoff team?

So he will turn it around to 6-10 or 7-9...again?

Judging by the first two games, NO WAY are we a playoff team. it's not being 0-2 that lead me to believe this but how we lost. That being said, Payton brought us our 1st Lombardi trophy, sign extension when he could've made himself available for other offers that's why we should show some kind of loyalty. Who knows, he might change this around maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas.

Utah_Saint · 09-18-2017, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

...maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas.

I don't know if he's copying other def coordinators or making this up as he goes but what ever he's doing now needs to stop.

Mardigras9 · 09-18-2017, 02:18 PM

Loomis and his philosophy has been a question for years. It's not that we are 0-2, that was really expected looking at the schedule, it is the ugliness of the losses. The next 2 will tell the tale of the future. We are not the only team trying to get it together out of the gates.

burningmetal · 09-18-2017, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life...

Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold...

Our best chance at a Championship is right now...

Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything.

I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning.

skymike · 09-18-2017, 07:22 PM

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

NOLA54 · 09-18-2017, 09:06 PM

Yep

saintshrimp · 09-18-2017, 09:48 PM

The sean payton era is pretty much over it was great for a while but all good things come to a end at somepoint the thing is to recognize it when it does. Im pretty sure i seen it for a couple years now

09-18-2017, 09:25 AM	#21
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by RailBoss Benson's an old man and the seats at the Dome keep getting filled. Don't see him making the radical changes needed at this point. The sad thing is the Staff knows it and they keep cashing the paychecks. The Glory season has long been over and all that is left is clutching at memories of a time from a long time ago. I was doing some thinking this morning and I think we might have a culture that is far more toxic than the bad days of the Haslett and Ditka eras. Payton plays favorites and the accountability is uneven at best. We could have a corporate mentality where ever player is out for themselves and the bonding between our players, the trust, is only there on the surface. We'd be better off with a new enthusiastic coach players are willing to play hard and fall on a grenade for, even if that coach isn't as accomplished as Payton. We should also not get caught up in the offensive vs defense mindset of looking for head coaches. After all, we once hired the defensive Haslett and it ended up being mainly the offense that flourished!

09-18-2017, 10:48 AM	#22
Kryptonite DAMMIT BOY! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Crestview, FL via S'port LA Posts: 197	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by NonieT Everyone had better be careful what they wish for. Would a "worser" (sp) team (one w/o Payton and Brees) be any "worse" than a currently "bad" team (one w/Payton and Brees)? Am I missing something? spkb25 likes this.

09-18-2017, 11:35 AM	#23
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit. I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.

09-18-2017, 11:54 AM	#24
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by spkb25 we have started 0-2 or 0-3 4 straight years. I think it is over. Turn what around? Do you really believe this is a playoff team? So he will turn it around to 6-10 or 7-9...again? Judging by the first two games, NO WAY are we a playoff team. it's not being 0-2 that lead me to believe this but how we lost. That being said, Payton brought us our 1st Lombardi trophy, sign extension when he could've made himself available for other offers that's why we should show some kind of loyalty. Who knows, he might change this around maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas. Utah_Saint likes this.

09-18-2017, 02:07 PM	#25
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by nola_swammi ...maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas. I don't know if he's copying other def coordinators or making this up as he goes but what ever he's doing now needs to stop.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Loomis and his philosophy has been a question for years. It's not that we are 0-2, that was really expected looking at the schedule, it is the ugliness of the losses. The next 2 will tell the tale of the future. We are not the only team trying to get it together out of the gates.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by jeanpierre Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life... Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold... Our best chance at a Championship is right now... Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything. I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning. K Major likes this.

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees saintfan, AsylumGuido and woody like this.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Yep

09-18-2017, 09:48 PM	#30
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees The sean payton era is pretty much over it was great for a while but all good things come to a end at somepoint the thing is to recognize it when it does. Im pretty sure i seen it for a couple years now

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