It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

QBREES9 · 09-18-2017, 12:01 AM

This was on Yahoo

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/1a7f9...saints-to.html

dizzle88 · 09-18-2017, 12:45 AM

Agreed.

SP, Loomis and Dennis Allen to be sacked and unfortunately trade Drew whilst his stock is high.

Rell&Gold · 09-18-2017, 01:16 AM

Thats not happening good dreaming though

burningmetal · 09-18-2017, 02:00 AM

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

nola_swammi · 09-18-2017, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

That was well said

jeanpierre · 09-18-2017, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life...

Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold...

Our best chance at a Championship is right now...

burningmetal · 09-18-2017, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life...

Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold...

Our best chance at a Championship is right now...

Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything.

I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning.

skymike · 09-18-2017, 07:22 PM

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

neugey · 09-18-2017, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

nola_swammi · 09-18-2017, 02:08 AM

Its time to be looking at the possibilities without Sean Payton but give him the opportunity to end this season maybe he can turn this around. I highly doubt it with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator. DA don't have any kind of game plan or idea of what he is doing. Isn't this the 1st time he been a DC?

09-18-2017, 12:01 AM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees This was on Yahoo https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/1a7f9...saints-to.html

09-18-2017, 12:45 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Agreed. SP, Loomis and Dennis Allen to be sacked and unfortunately trade Drew whilst his stock is high.

09-18-2017, 01:16 AM	#3
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Thats not happening good dreaming though Halo, QBREES9, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

09-18-2017, 02:00 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on. I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes. I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts. And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks. RockyMountainSaint, neugey, nola_swammi and 2 others like this.
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09-18-2017, 02:11 AM	#5
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by burningmetal I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on. I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes. I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts. And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks. That was well said

09-18-2017, 08:42 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by burningmetal I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on. Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life... Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold... Our best chance at a Championship is right now...

09-18-2017, 07:11 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by jeanpierre Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life... Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold... Our best chance at a Championship is right now... Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything. I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning. K Major likes this.

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees saintfan, AsylumGuido and woody like this.

09-18-2017, 10:06 PM	#9
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by skymike Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

09-18-2017, 02:08 AM	#10
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Its time to be looking at the possibilities without Sean Payton but give him the opportunity to end this season maybe he can turn this around. I highly doubt it with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator. DA don't have any kind of game plan or idea of what he is doing. Isn't this the 1st time he been a DC? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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