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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by spkb25 I agree and I too liked the Curtis signing again and I was glad we let go Vitt. I guess the point I am trying to make is that at some point we cannot keep firing ...

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Old 09-19-2017, 10:39 AM   #41
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Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

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I agree and I too liked the Curtis signing again and I was glad we let go Vitt. I guess the point I am trying to make is that at some point we cannot keep firing everyone else. Spags went on to be successful again in NY. RR was a terrible signing then and now. DA I had hopes for, but at some point we just can't keep blaming everyone except SP (And I recognize you're not doing that). You're right, it has the feel he has lost the team. When you keep churning the same product year in and year out the HC has to be to blame. How many years does it take to rebuild to become at the very least competitive. We look the same as we have for what is now the fourth year. Matter of fact we look worse this year than last. At least so far. I am sure we will string together some wins and old 7-9 will get us back to his sweet spot and next year it will be cycle and repeat.

I'd rather see what someone else can do. 7-9 and no playoffs is no worse than 3-13 and no playoffs.
Agreed. Payton and Loomis are the common denominator, as far as I see it, and not much else is likely to work with them in place, given how things have been.

I do think we needed to make the changes we've made, and that DA is not the answer for our defense, but in order to get the right people in place and reinstate the kind of institutional control that you need to have to run a successful organization, it has to start at the top. No question.
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Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

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Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit.

I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.
They hired Ireland to be the talent evaluator role of GM
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:35 PM   #43
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They hired Ireland to be the talent evaluator role of GM
Not to derail the thread, but you just indirectly pointed out our biggest problem. What we need is a COACHING talent evaluator. Where can we get one of them?
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Not to derail the thread, but you just indirectly pointed out our biggest problem. What we need is a COACHING talent evaluator. Where can we get one of them?
Omar Khan.

He's a smart guy (Tulane educated), home grown and has a solid track record.
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Omar Khan.

He's a smart guy (Tulane educated), home grown and has a solid track record.
Meh, those were some awful drafts under Mike Ditka and Jim Haslett; and I'm not so sure Omar hasn't benefited from the scenery more than his own making...

We do some tweaking with reducing Payton's GM authority, make Jeff Ireland the GM, hell, bring Parcells in as Team President if that's what it takes...
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Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

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That's good, every athlete says **** like that.
Brees isn't "every athlete," in case you haven't noticed. I believe him when he says he plans to retire as a Saint. That's a big reason why he wants to continue with year to year contracts.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:31 PM   #48
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Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit.

I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.
No GM wants to feel like he has less power than a HC.
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No, we need a up-and-comer, not some recycled coach who has been out of the league for some time.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:49 PM   #50
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Maybe we shouldn't have kicked Rita out of the organization if she was the only one willing to challenge Payton.
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