It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

skymike · 09-18-2017, 07:22 PM

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

neugey · 09-18-2017, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

skymike · 09-19-2017, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB.

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees.

** Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt.

*** Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !

spkb25 · 09-19-2017, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB.

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees.

** Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt.

*** Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !

that would have been the best suited trading partner prior to Watson. I think they're dug in

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2017, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

that would have been the best suited trading partner prior to Watson. I think they're dug in

Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions.

neugey · 09-19-2017, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I also think the 'Brees doesn't want to go through a rebuild' narrative is a little presumptuous. Changing coaches is hardly a death sentence. The last two times we did it, we made the playoffs. Brees is loyal to Payton/Loomis but he also knows the NFL is a business. The rest of team needs and would benefit from his continued leadership.

spkb25 · 09-19-2017, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions.

That's good, every athlete says **** like that.

AsylumGuido · 09-21-2017, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's good, every athlete says **** like that.

Brees isn't "every athlete," in case you haven't noticed. I believe him when he says he plans to retire as a Saint. That's a big reason why he wants to continue with year to year contracts.

neugey · 09-19-2017, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

I do remember those days. But I'd rather be a Dome Patrol than a finesse team with no defense. In any sport. You are always closer with great defense/pitching. Lots of close games. You may fall short of winning some big ones, but at least you made the other team earn it. No rebounds, no rings. Defense wins championships.

dizzle88 · 09-19-2017, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I do remember those days. But I'd rather be a Dome Patrol than a finesse team with no defense. In any sport. You are always closer with great defense/pitching. Lots of close games. You may fall short of winning some big ones, but at least you made the other team earn it. No rebounds, no rings. Defense wins championships.

Very good point, Look at Houston, they make nearly every game close because they have a top 5 D. All they need is a franchise QB to take them over the edge.

09-18-2017, 07:22 PM	#1
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees saintfan, AsylumGuido and woody like this.

09-18-2017, 10:06 PM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by skymike Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

09-19-2017, 05:25 AM	#3
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by neugey The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason. I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB. I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes. Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people. Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2 best pre-Brees QBs* ) agrees with me. It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees. Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt. * Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !
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09-19-2017, 05:46 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by skymike I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB. I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes. Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people. Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2 best pre-Brees QBs* ) agrees with me. It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees. Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt. * Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now ! that would have been the best suited trading partner prior to Watson. I think they're dug in

09-19-2017, 07:31 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by spkb25 that would have been the best suited trading partner prior to Watson. I think they're dug in Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions. neugey, jeanpierre and skymike like this.

09-19-2017, 09:29 AM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions. Thanks for pointing that out. I also think the 'Brees doesn't want to go through a rebuild' narrative is a little presumptuous. Changing coaches is hardly a death sentence. The last two times we did it, we made the playoffs. Brees is loyal to Payton/Loomis but he also knows the NFL is a business. The rest of team needs and would benefit from his continued leadership.

09-19-2017, 04:40 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Brees has a no trade clause in his contract. The Saints will be the last team he will ever play for. He has stressed that on numerous occasions. That's good, every athlete says **** like that.

09-21-2017, 04:36 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by spkb25 That's good, every athlete says **** like that. Brees isn't "every athlete," in case you haven't noticed. I believe him when he says he plans to retire as a Saint. That's a big reason why he wants to continue with year to year contracts.

09-19-2017, 06:53 AM	#9
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by skymike I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes. Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people. Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2 best pre-Brees QBs* ) agrees with me. I do remember those days. But I'd rather be a Dome Patrol than a finesse team with no defense. In any sport. You are always closer with great defense/pitching. Lots of close games. You may fall short of winning some big ones, but at least you made the other team earn it. No rebounds, no rings. Defense wins championships. skymike and dizzle88 like this.

09-19-2017, 06:59 AM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees Originally Posted by neugey I do remember those days. But I'd rather be a Dome Patrol than a finesse team with no defense. In any sport. You are always closer with great defense/pitching. Lots of close games. You may fall short of winning some big ones, but at least you made the other team earn it. No rebounds, no rings. Defense wins championships. Very good point, Look at Houston, they make nearly every game close because they have a top 5 D. All they need is a franchise QB to take them over the edge. skymike likes this.

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