Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane.

FireVenturi · 04-08-2005, 01:12 AM

Well, regardless of his occassional utter embarrassments, I\'ve got to remember that AB -is- holding a lot of the Saints QB records. He\'s been the QB of the highest powered offense the Saints have ever had. I\'ve got to dremember that.

I used to hate him, wanted him gone. Now, I\'ve reconsidered, I think he\'s adequate, adequate enough to win games.

I think the focus for replacement should be put on the defense rather than on Brooks. 32nd ranked just won\'t cut it.

You get it LOE...ive been sayin all along DEFENSE wins championships!!!!!! So can u now please remove that avatar?LOL

WhoDat · 04-08-2005, 09:07 AM

One of these days folks are going to figure you out.

So when the game is on the line it\'s \"sandlot\" football, huh?

But that\'s just for Brooks, right?

John Elway was considered a great \"leader\" when he did it.

So was Montana.

So were many many QBs.

But, ol\' WhoDat don\'t see it that way for Brooks.

Hey, WhoDat ... Was Elway and Montana playing sandlot football when they led their teams in the 4th quarter?

Give it a rest.

Hey Billy, did Montana and Elway play like crap the other 58 minutes of the game? LOL.

When a guy plays good to great ball for 55+ minutes, and then in crunch time plays great to legendary ball - that\'s a great QB.

When a guy spends 55 minutes throwing rocket shots at his WRs feet, backpeddling into the rush, and tossing underhanded free-bes to opposing LBs from his own 10 yard line, and then in the last few minutes manages to scramble around long enough for a WR to get open... that\'s sandlot.

You\'re right though, one of these days you will get it.

lynwood · 04-08-2005, 09:33 AM

AB is a good backup QB. That\'s something positive right?

saintfan · 04-08-2005, 10:48 AM

You\'re right about that, no question about it. When the game gets down to it in panic mode - when game plans go out the window and essentially it\'s sandlot football, AB can shine.

Wait...now WAIT just a minute here. Whether or not you think Brooks is poo for 58 minutes or not doesn\'t matter. We\'re talkin about the two minute drills, and even you, based on that quote above, indicate Brooks can and often does get it done, so lets leave the other 58 minutes alone and just answer the question. Montana playin sandlot ball? Elway playin sandlot ball? Farve playin sandlot ball? No? But Brooks is right? Nuff said.

GoldenTomb · 04-08-2005, 10:58 AM

Well uh....despite how poorly he has played or how badly the team is perfoming, you can always count on AB to put on a happy face for the team.

WhoDat · 04-08-2005, 11:54 AM

Montana playin sandlot ball? Elway playin sandlot ball? Farve playin sandlot ball? No? But Brooks is right? Nuff said.

So what\'s the opposing view? That running the 2-minute drill successfully requires a greater command of the offense, poise, and quick thinking? Is so, why could Montana, Elway, and Favre demonstrate those same skills during the other 58 minutes and AB cannot (at least not consistently)?

saintfan · 04-08-2005, 12:25 PM

and then in the last few minutes manages to scramble around long enough for a WR to get open... that\'s sandlot.

Yup. Teams double the only guy we\'ve got that can run a decent route. Maybe it\'s not Brooks who\'s the \"sandlot\" guy, but then that never crossed your mind huh? LOL

GoldenTomb · 04-08-2005, 12:44 PM

All of this is really making me laugh!

C\'mon now.....I seriously think that some turn a blind eye when it comes to Brooks.....they refuse to look at the person and just look at the numbers. Brooks has been able to put together some good late-game performances, true. How can you really say definitively either way if it is because of him or in spite of him???

With that being said, my opinion is that Brooks is a below average QB that makes questionable decisions more often than not in the pocket, whether it be fumbles, INTs, reverse passes, or overthrowing a reciever in a fade route. You have to admit that in any given situation, he is more likely to do one of the above things than complete a pass. I personally think he cannot handle a highly sophisticated NFL offense, hence the reason for dumbing down the offense.

Can anyone dispute that. I\'d be willing to bet that at the end of the game, the offensive coordinator slims down the playbook for Brooks to shine. Those hooks, slants and posts are all that you see in the last 2 minutes of a game. That\'s where Brooks excels. I don\'t know if it\'s sandlot or not but that\'s what it is. I attribute it to sensible offensive savvy from the o-coordinator. Kinda like on Any Given Sunday with Willie Beamon and Al Pacino...\"Just play like you\'re back at home in the hood\". He excels when he doesnt\' have to think.

However, to put him in the same breath as Montana and Elway is....what\'s worse than laughable????

ScottyRo · 04-08-2005, 02:29 PM

So what\'s the opposing view? That running the 2-minute drill successfully requires a greater command of the offense, poise, and quick thinking? Is so, why could Montana, Elway, and Favre demonstrate those same skills during the other 58 minutes and AB cannot (at least not consistently)?

Who, you\'ve been replying to Billy\'s threads on AB too much cuz your insinuating more than is required by my statement. First, the two-minute drill is not sandlot football. It\'s more hurried, but plays are being called and executed. It is no more sandlot than any other time.

Second, because I am more confident that AB can lead us downfield in a two minute drill and score a TD when needed more than any other SAINTS QB does not mean that I\'m inplying that it takes a special greatness by him though it might. I don\'t care what the implications are. I was stating a simple fact about how I feel about his performance at that point in a game versus other SAINTS QBs.

LK67, you apparently don\'t agree with my assessment, but you haven\'t done anything other than mock me about it. Why isn\'t my statement a fair one to make? Tell me which Saints QB have you ever thought more able to (and demonstratively so) take his team downfield in the final minutes of a game and score a TD when needed to win?

GoldenTomb · 04-08-2005, 02:40 PM

I don\'t think he\'s disputing what you said about having confidence in AB being the best Saints QB ever in the 2 minute drill. His opinion is accolade isn\'t saying a whole lot.

Hey Emmitt Smith is the all time leading rusher in the NFL. Doesn\'t make him the all time best RB, does it??? Far from it.

[Edited on 8/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]

04-08-2005, 01:12 AM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. Well, regardless of his occassional utter embarrassments, I\'ve got to remember that AB -is- holding a lot of the Saints QB records. He\'s been the QB of the highest powered offense the Saints have ever had. I\'ve got to dremember that. I used to hate him, wanted him gone. Now, I\'ve reconsidered, I think he\'s adequate, adequate enough to win games. I think the focus for replacement should be put on the defense rather than on Brooks. 32nd ranked just won\'t cut it. You get it LOE...ive been sayin all along DEFENSE wins championships!!!!!! So can u now please remove that avatar?LOL

04-08-2005, 09:07 AM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. One of these days folks are going to figure you out. So when the game is on the line it\'s \"sandlot\" football, huh? But that\'s just for Brooks, right? John Elway was considered a great \"leader\" when he did it. So was Montana. So were many many QBs. But, ol\' WhoDat don\'t see it that way for Brooks. Hey, WhoDat ... Was Elway and Montana playing sandlot football when they led their teams in the 4th quarter? Give it a rest. Hey Billy, did Montana and Elway play like crap the other 58 minutes of the game? LOL. When a guy plays good to great ball for 55+ minutes, and then in crunch time plays great to legendary ball - that\'s a great QB. When a guy spends 55 minutes throwing rocket shots at his WRs feet, backpeddling into the rush, and tossing underhanded free-bes to opposing LBs from his own 10 yard line, and then in the last few minutes manages to scramble around long enough for a WR to get open... that\'s sandlot. You\'re right though, one of these days you will get it.
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04-08-2005, 09:33 AM	#13
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04-08-2005, 10:48 AM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. You\'re right about that, no question about it. When the game gets down to it in panic mode - when game plans go out the window and essentially it\'s sandlot football, AB can shine. Wait...now WAIT just a minute here. Whether or not you think Brooks is poo for 58 minutes or not doesn\'t matter. We\'re talkin about the two minute drills, and even you, based on that quote above, indicate Brooks can and often does get it done, so lets leave the other 58 minutes alone and just answer the question. Montana playin sandlot ball? Elway playin sandlot ball? Farve playin sandlot ball? No? But Brooks is right? Nuff said.

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04-08-2005, 11:54 AM	#16
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. Montana playin sandlot ball? Elway playin sandlot ball? Farve playin sandlot ball? No? But Brooks is right? Nuff said. So what\'s the opposing view? That running the 2-minute drill successfully requires a greater command of the offense, poise, and quick thinking? Is so, why could Montana, Elway, and Favre demonstrate those same skills during the other 58 minutes and AB cannot (at least not consistently)?
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04-08-2005, 12:25 PM	#17
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. and then in the last few minutes manages to scramble around long enough for a WR to get open... that\'s sandlot. Yup. Teams double the only guy we\'ve got that can run a decent route. Maybe it\'s not Brooks who\'s the \"sandlot\" guy, but then that never crossed your mind huh? LOL

04-08-2005, 12:44 PM	#18
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. All of this is really making me laugh! C\'mon now.....I seriously think that some turn a blind eye when it comes to Brooks.....they refuse to look at the person and just look at the numbers. Brooks has been able to put together some good late-game performances, true. How can you really say definitively either way if it is because of him or in spite of him??? With that being said, my opinion is that Brooks is a below average QB that makes questionable decisions more often than not in the pocket, whether it be fumbles, INTs, reverse passes, or overthrowing a reciever in a fade route. You have to admit that in any given situation, he is more likely to do one of the above things than complete a pass. I personally think he cannot handle a highly sophisticated NFL offense, hence the reason for dumbing down the offense. Can anyone dispute that. I\'d be willing to bet that at the end of the game, the offensive coordinator slims down the playbook for Brooks to shine. Those hooks, slants and posts are all that you see in the last 2 minutes of a game. That\'s where Brooks excels. I don\'t know if it\'s sandlot or not but that\'s what it is. I attribute it to sensible offensive savvy from the o-coordinator. Kinda like on Any Given Sunday with Willie Beamon and Al Pacino...\"Just play like you\'re back at home in the hood\". He excels when he doesnt\' have to think. However, to put him in the same breath as Montana and Elway is....what\'s worse than laughable????
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04-08-2005, 02:29 PM	#19
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. So what\'s the opposing view? That running the 2-minute drill successfully requires a greater command of the offense, poise, and quick thinking? Is so, why could Montana, Elway, and Favre demonstrate those same skills during the other 58 minutes and AB cannot (at least not consistently)? Who, you\'ve been replying to Billy\'s threads on AB too much cuz your insinuating more than is required by my statement. First, the two-minute drill is not sandlot football. It\'s more hurried, but plays are being called and executed. It is no more sandlot than any other time. Second, because I am more confident that AB can lead us downfield in a two minute drill and score a TD when needed more than any other SAINTS QB does not mean that I\'m inplying that it takes a special greatness by him though it might. I don\'t care what the implications are. I was stating a simple fact about how I feel about his performance at that point in a game versus other SAINTS QBs. LK67, you apparently don\'t agree with my assessment, but you haven\'t done anything other than mock me about it. Why isn\'t my statement a fair one to make? Tell me which Saints QB have you ever thought more able to (and demonstratively so) take his team downfield in the final minutes of a game and score a TD when needed to win?

04-08-2005, 02:40 PM	#20
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Something Positive about Brooks. I must be insane. I don\'t think he\'s disputing what you said about having confidence in AB being the best Saints QB ever in the 2 minute drill. His opinion is accolade isn\'t saying a whole lot. Hey Emmitt Smith is the all time leading rusher in the NFL. Doesn\'t make him the all time best RB, does it??? Far from it. [Edited on 8/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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