What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago

hagan714 · 10-30-2017, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...

That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane.

A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7

SmashMouth · 10-30-2017, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait...

Originally Posted by hagan714

That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane.

A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7

Well, we had Jenkins... but he did not work out.

jeanpierre · 10-30-2017, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming

We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run.

Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL

Thus YPC is to high.

Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...

K Major · 10-30-2017, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...

Ellis was hardly the player Rankins already is. The guy is just getting started & has been disruptive. Take a moment to read Underhill's analysis on Rankins. It's a fair, honest assessment on his production thus far.

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SmashMouth · 10-30-2017, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0

Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...

lee909 · 10-30-2017, 04:54 AM

Only seen little bits but looked likey they held the line ok baring a couple of broken big gains.

Agree though a true dominate run stuffing DT would be a great additions

subguy · 10-30-2017, 05:21 AM

I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that.

lee909 · 10-30-2017, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that.

Not sure it would be like that anymore
Imo
A) Jimmy couldn't carry that load
B) Alvin Kamara
C)Michael Thomas
D) Alvin Kamara
E) Alvin Kamara

I do think another option like Hraham would have helped last night. The offense isn't fully firing in the passing game and another redzone threat would be good.

Id take Graham for a 7th or a Kikaha trade

subguy · 10-31-2017, 05:50 AM

Didn't we have Sproles when we had Graham? I mean Kamara is dynamic and I love the guy but to me the situation is similar. Yes, in the red zone Graham was a beast for us.

CheramieIII · 10-30-2017, 06:44 AM

We learned that the offense needs to be more consistent and sometimes we come up against a defense that surprises us just like our defense continues to surprise everyone even the critics!

10-30-2017, 11:34 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by ChrisXVI That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait... That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane. A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7 K Major likes this.

10-30-2017, 11:44 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by ChrisXVI That's what Sheldon Rankins has been doing. He's been fighting double teams and spending more time than he should as a 1-technique. This is the problem when all of the DT's are only 300 lbs. We just need to find a 6-4, 330 pounder who can play that role. You know, someone like that Akiem Hicks on the Bears. Oh wait... Originally Posted by hagan714 That is my point. Rankins needs help. But even then opening a hole in the middle of the saints defense is way to easy. Way to often I see an OL at the second level sealing off the lane. A run stopping, sand in the pants DT will help the entire front 7 Well, we had Jenkins... but he did not work out.

10-30-2017, 09:03 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by hagan714 No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run. Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL Thus YPC is to high. Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0 Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results...

10-30-2017, 11:12 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by jeanpierre Sheldon Rankins = Sedrick Ellis 2.0 Same size, same jersey number, same high draft pick investment, same pedestrian results... Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-30-2017, 04:54 AM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Only seen little bits but looked likey they held the line ok baring a couple of broken big gains. Agree though a true dominate run stuffing DT would be a great additions

10-30-2017, 05:21 AM	#7
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that. Barry from MS, Seer1, K Major and 1 others like this.

10-30-2017, 05:57 AM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by subguy I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that. Not sure it would be like that anymore Imo A) Jimmy couldn't carry that load B) Alvin Kamara C)Michael Thomas D) Alvin Kamara E) Alvin Kamara I do think another option like Hraham would have helped last night. The offense isn't fully firing in the passing game and another redzone threat would be good. Id take Graham for a 7th or a Kikaha trade

10-31-2017, 05:50 AM	#9
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Didn't we have Sproles when we had Graham? I mean Kamara is dynamic and I love the guy but to me the situation is similar. Yes, in the red zone Graham was a beast for us.

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