What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago

10-29-2017, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I disagree, that ****'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason.

Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints
Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints
Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints
Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints
Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints
Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints
Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints

When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, **** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern.

Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more.

jnormand · 10-29-2017, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

"The Saints matched the Bears in the trenches"

This. This right here shows me our guys up front are real. We played classic football today and didn't get manhandled. We HAVE to learn to stop the run. I think adjustments can be made.
Also liked how they got Hill the ball. No graham but he's better than Fleener.

Hill is a killer blocker too. He's a big boy.

Utah_Saint · 10-29-2017, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more.

Yeah, it's football, it's bad football. Giving up 5.1 yards/att is bad football.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happier than a fat boy with a fudge cycle with how the defense is playing overall, but giving up 4.9 yards per carry for the season sucks. And when it's mental errors or a lack of discipline, then it's just stupid. Like I pointed out earlier, it's not just this game. It's not a fluke, it's a tendency.

I'm with you on Graham. Not only as a red zone threat but we're not exploiting the mid field seam route like we used to. And we could use some serious help on third down. Wish I knew what was going on with Snead.

nola_swammi · 10-30-2017, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I disagree, that ****'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason.

Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints
Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints
Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints
Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints
Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints
Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints
Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints

When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, **** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern.

We need a Mlb. manti teo just not producing enough when he is in there. I don't know if it has anything to do with less snap plays in game situations or his diagnosis of plays is slow. I did notice when they moved Robertson to mlb and dropped Vacarro into wlb they slowed down that rushing attack

SmashMouth · 10-30-2017, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more.

Grambeaux disappeared in big games. And there was too much emphasis on getting him the ball, even forcing it in. Coleman is coming around.

jeanpierre · 10-30-2017, 01:27 AM

Coleman had a nice reception up the sideline, that is, until he forgot how to run and lost his balance...

hagan714 · 10-30-2017, 05:49 AM

No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming

We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run.

Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL

Thus YPC is to high.

lee909 · 10-30-2017, 05:54 AM

Only seen little bits but looked likey they held the line ok baring a couple of broken big gains.

Agree though a true dominate run stuffing DT would be a great additions

subguy · 10-30-2017, 06:21 AM

I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that.

lee909 · 10-30-2017, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that.

Not sure it would be like that anymore
Imo
A) Jimmy couldn't carry that load
B) Alvin Kamara
C)Michael Thomas
D) Alvin Kamara
E) Alvin Kamara

I do think another option like Hraham would have helped last night. The offense isn't fully firing in the passing game and another redzone threat would be good.

Id take Graham for a 7th or a Kikaha trade

10-29-2017, 11:26 PM	#31
Threaded by rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I disagree, that **'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason. Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, ** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern. Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more.
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10-29-2017, 11:51 PM	#32
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by The Dude "The Saints matched the Bears in the trenches" This. This right here shows me our guys up front are real. We played classic football today and didn't get manhandled. We HAVE to learn to stop the run. I think adjustments can be made. Also liked how they got Hill the ball. No graham but he's better than Fleener. Hill is a killer blocker too. He's a big boy.

10-29-2017, 11:55 PM	#33
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by rezburna Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more. Yeah, it's football, it's bad football. Giving up 5.1 yards/att is bad football. Don't get me wrong, I'm happier than a fat boy with a fudge cycle with how the defense is playing overall, but giving up 4.9 yards per carry for the season sucks. And when it's mental errors or a lack of discipline, then it's just stupid. Like I pointed out earlier, it's not just this game. It's not a fluke, it's a tendency. I'm with you on Graham. Not only as a red zone threat but we're not exploiting the mid field seam route like we used to. And we could use some serious help on third down. Wish I knew what was going on with Snead. Rell&Gold likes this.

10-30-2017, 12:09 AM	#34
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I disagree, that **'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason. Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, ** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern. We need a Mlb. manti teo just not producing enough when he is in there. I don't know if it has anything to do with less snap plays in game situations or his diagnosis of plays is slow. I did notice when they moved Robertson to mlb and dropped Vacarro into wlb they slowed down that rushing attack K Major likes this.

10-30-2017, 12:19 AM	#35
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by rezburna Guys blow responsibility all the time. That too, is football. Like I said, they caught us selling out for the big play on both of those long runs. Other than that the run defense was relatively fine. This is a very young defense. There’s going to be bad to go along with the good. We shouldn’t even be having a conversation about what the defense needs to do. They gave up 12 points. The offense needs to get in the way end zone when they hit the red zone. I’m starting to like the idea of a Jimmy Graham trade more and more. Grambeaux disappeared in big games. And there was too much emphasis on getting him the ball, even forcing it in. Coleman is coming around.

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10-30-2017, 01:27 AM	#36
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Coleman had a nice reception up the sideline, that is, until he forgot how to run and lost his balance... jnormand likes this.

10-30-2017, 05:49 AM	#37
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago No one has stepped up in the middle. None of the DT requires dbl teaming We need a gap plugging DT that is good against the run. Our LBers are to easy to get to for opposing OL Thus YPC is to high. Barry from MS and jeanpierre like this.

10-30-2017, 05:54 AM	#38
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Only seen little bits but looked likey they held the line ok baring a couple of broken big gains. Agree though a true dominate run stuffing DT would be a great additions

10-30-2017, 06:21 AM	#39
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that. Barry from MS, Seer1, K Major and 1 others like this.

10-30-2017, 06:57 AM	#40
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by subguy I liked Jimmy Graham but there was too much dependency on him. I would not like to see us return to that. Not sure it would be like that anymore Imo A) Jimmy couldn't carry that load B) Alvin Kamara C)Michael Thomas D) Alvin Kamara E) Alvin Kamara I do think another option like Hraham would have helped last night. The offense isn't fully firing in the passing game and another redzone threat would be good. Id take Graham for a 7th or a Kikaha trade

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