We Had An Ugly Game

nola_swammi · 11-27-2017, 12:18 PM

Why are people blaming the OL? They wasn't perfect but they were far from horrible. Just face it Brees was not Brees out there. Don't just listen to what the commentators say about no separation from wr. When db are playing man it won't be much of a separation, that is why you throw back shoulder throws. Everyone know back in the day Brees would fit those balls in. He also had his opportunities with big plays down field to Ginn, he was either short with the pass or he just didn't throw it. I didn't consider Brees horrible considering he was 22/32, 246 yds, td. The problem was they weren't running the ball enough with Kamara. 5 running plays, that was it for Kamara. Let's be real, Sean Payton's play calling didn't do the saints any favors.

nola_swammi · 11-27-2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Now you know good and well the Saints are not going to sign Jalen Collins. He is probably done in the NFL and even if he isn't, he won't get is second chance with the Saints. They are probably stuck with Harris for the foreseeable future.

Why shot my dream down? Can we at at least still cut Harris?

papz · 11-27-2017, 12:38 PM

I thought the offensive line played just fine. We held on to the ball too long on multiple occasions and Drew makes some of the most mind puzzling throws sometimes. I don't know how he didn't have 3-4 picks this past game. I don't think he realizes there are just some throws he can't make anymore. If his timing is off, he doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. He also missed a couple of easy touchdown passes as well. I'm not saying this to **** on Drew, it's just the truth.

That said, if our starting corners were playing, I believe we would have won this game. On to Carolina. More running the football. More game managing and screens from Drew.

WHODATINCA · 11-27-2017, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Agreed. There was a lot of ugly O-line play out there yesterday. Pretty much all of them got their asses handed to them at one point or another.
They made a ton of good plays too but this was not the best performance of the year for the group.

Right. When you consider that our banged up D held the Rams to under 30pts when their average this year is 30pts you cannot blame this loss on the D. Although I will say our pass rush was almost non-existent till later in the game -- which was not good.

Sean Payton knew that we would have to score at least 30pts to win. We didn't do that. Kamara was outstanding. Other than that our O was stagnant. I blame the O line. Brees had no where near the time in the pocket that Goff had, while Drew was hurried and sacked a lot. And, the Rams, contrary to their rep were stuffing Ingram.

Game plan for the Rams was not good either. It was almost like they hadn't studied this team.

K Major · 11-27-2017, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Why shot my dream down? Can we at at least still cut Harris?

Probably not this year but I would have kept Arthur Maulet over Harris.

Fingers crossed we get Ken and/or Lattimore back this week.

Cruize · 11-27-2017, 02:28 PM

It's impossible to play at the highest level week after week. Especially, with other teams gearing up to throw their best at you. The coaching was not great yesterday. Payton overthinks/out thinks himself sometimes. The running game has been the major reason for this year's team success. Yet, it's just Payton's nature to want to throw it around. His clock management and use of time outs has always been poor. The team is beat up. Down three starters on defense yesterday. Two being the starting CB's going against a good passing team. The special teams looked worse yesterday. Took a step back. Every receiver outside of Thomas was a no show yesterday. Fleener is just not good. And not to be forgotten, the officiating was horribly one sided yesterday. All that being said, the Saints lost a close game to a good Rams team on the road. Lots of things to work on. Some negatives that can be overcame. A few things just are what they are. 8-3 after starting 0-2. I'm good.

SmashMouth · 11-27-2017, 02:38 PM

Rams line up quickly so Sean McVay can call audibles – ProFootballTalk

The Dude · 11-27-2017, 02:49 PM

200 yards in penalties alone are enough to earn a loss. It’s almost like giving them free points.

K Major · 11-27-2017, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

200 yards in penalties alone are enough to earn a loss. It’s almost like giving them free points.

I know at least 30 of those penalty yards came from Kenny Vaccaro.

dizzle88 · 11-27-2017, 04:10 PM

I just don't understand Vaccaro sometimes.

Some games he makes game changing plays like the pick vs Carolina or a 4th down stop vs Chicago.

Then other times he will just sit there looking lost, like when he was in man coverage yesterday and he just stopped whilst the ball was in the air, then acted all shocked when the Rams player caught it.

I just don't understand his inconsistencies, his rookie season he was all over the place, he certainly looks to have lost a step pretty quickly.

11-27-2017, 12:18 PM	#31
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Why are people blaming the OL? They wasn't perfect but they were far from horrible. Just face it Brees was not Brees out there. Don't just listen to what the commentators say about no separation from wr. When db are playing man it won't be much of a separation, that is why you throw back shoulder throws. Everyone know back in the day Brees would fit those balls in. He also had his opportunities with big plays down field to Ginn, he was either short with the pass or he just didn't throw it. I didn't consider Brees horrible considering he was 22/32, 246 yds, td. The problem was they weren't running the ball enough with Kamara. 5 running plays, that was it for Kamara. Let's be real, Sean Payton's play calling didn't do the saints any favors. papz likes this.

11-27-2017, 12:20 PM	#32
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Originally Posted by NonieT Now you know good and well the Saints are not going to sign Jalen Collins. He is probably done in the NFL and even if he isn't, he won't get is second chance with the Saints. They are probably stuck with Harris for the foreseeable future. Why shot my dream down? Can we at at least still cut Harris?

11-27-2017, 12:38 PM	#33
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: We Had An Ugly Game I thought the offensive line played just fine. We held on to the ball too long on multiple occasions and Drew makes some of the most mind puzzling throws sometimes. I don't know how he didn't have 3-4 picks this past game. I don't think he realizes there are just some throws he can't make anymore. If his timing is off, he doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. He also missed a couple of easy touchdown passes as well. I'm not saying this to **** on Drew, it's just the truth. That said, if our starting corners were playing, I believe we would have won this game. On to Carolina. More running the football. More game managing and screens from Drew. nola_swammi likes this.
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11-27-2017, 01:02 PM	#34
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Originally Posted by Crusader Agreed. There was a lot of ugly O-line play out there yesterday. Pretty much all of them got their asses handed to them at one point or another. They made a ton of good plays too but this was not the best performance of the year for the group. Right. When you consider that our banged up D held the Rams to under 30pts when their average this year is 30pts you cannot blame this loss on the D. Although I will say our pass rush was almost non-existent till later in the game -- which was not good. Sean Payton knew that we would have to score at least 30pts to win. We didn't do that. Kamara was outstanding. Other than that our O was stagnant. I blame the O line. Brees had no where near the time in the pocket that Goff had, while Drew was hurried and sacked a lot. And, the Rams, contrary to their rep were stuffing Ingram. Game plan for the Rams was not good either. It was almost like they hadn't studied this team.
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11-27-2017, 01:23 PM	#35
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Originally Posted by nola_swammi Why shot my dream down? Can we at at least still cut Harris? Probably not this year but I would have kept Arthur Maulet over Harris. Fingers crossed we get Ken and/or Lattimore back this week.

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11-27-2017, 02:28 PM	#36
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: We Had An Ugly Game It's impossible to play at the highest level week after week. Especially, with other teams gearing up to throw their best at you. The coaching was not great yesterday. Payton overthinks/out thinks himself sometimes. The running game has been the major reason for this year's team success. Yet, it's just Payton's nature to want to throw it around. His clock management and use of time outs has always been poor. The team is beat up. Down three starters on defense yesterday. Two being the starting CB's going against a good passing team. The special teams looked worse yesterday. Took a step back. Every receiver outside of Thomas was a no show yesterday. Fleener is just not good. And not to be forgotten, the officiating was horribly one sided yesterday. All that being said, the Saints lost a close game to a good Rams team on the road. Lots of things to work on. Some negatives that can be overcame. A few things just are what they are. 8-3 after starting 0-2. I'm good. Thirty3 likes this.
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11-27-2017, 02:38 PM	#37
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Rams line up quickly so Sean McVay can call audibles – ProFootballTalk

11-27-2017, 02:49 PM	#38
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: We Had An Ugly Game 200 yards in penalties alone are enough to earn a loss. It’s almost like giving them free points. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-27-2017, 03:41 PM	#39
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: We Had An Ugly Game Originally Posted by The Dude 200 yards in penalties alone are enough to earn a loss. It’s almost like giving them free points. I know at least 30 of those penalty yards came from Kenny Vaccaro. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-27-2017, 04:10 PM	#40
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: We Had An Ugly Game I just don't understand Vaccaro sometimes. Some games he makes game changing plays like the pick vs Carolina or a 4th down stop vs Chicago. Then other times he will just sit there looking lost, like when he was in man coverage yesterday and he just stopped whilst the ball was in the air, then acted all shocked when the Rams player caught it. I just don't understand his inconsistencies, his rookie season he was all over the place, he certainly looks to have lost a step pretty quickly. Rugby Saint II likes this.