That's all he's asking for. He's not asking for extra money for punitive damages, or claiming that he was harassed or traumatized. I don't think it's too much to ask of the Saints, and yet they are acting like he wants 10 billion dollars.

The Saints (backed and most likely prompted by the NFL) are fighting it for purposes of precedence. Letting fans demand money back and suing for it would be opening a can of worms. Now, if the guy had quietly gone to the Saints and asked for a refund they could have complied, but when the guy decided to make it high profile via lawsuit it entered a different realm. He clearly wanted to make a point and not just get his money back. The NFL has no choice but to answer the suit in court and they will most likely win with the guy not only being out the cost of his tickets, but also all court costs, which could easily dwarf the ticket costs.

He DID quietly go to them and ask for a refund, and they did not comply. So now he's suing them. The reason it's public knowledge is because reporters are always looking for something to talk about. How is that the problem of this fan?

If everyone were as passive about ever doing or saying anything negative towards their team as you are, fans everywhere would be completely screwed. Fans have to demand respect from the people who are charging them insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game... A GAME. Not a political rally.

Fans don't have official representation, and yet they are the driving force that keeps the league alive. So fans have to represent themselves and make demands. Will he win? Probably not. Will there be fallout as more and more stories like these come out? You better believe it. The NFL believes it has all the power because it has the money. They do have the money... For now. They are biting the hands that feed them.

How do you know that he quietly went to them and asked for a refund? I didn't see that anywhere.

Besides, if all he wanted was his money back he could have easily sold his tickets and season ticket rights for profit. They are highly desired.

In addition, the teams are not charging insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game. It is the fans themselves that are creating the insane numbers. The number of tickets available directly to the general public is a tiny percentage of actual seats in the venue. That vast majority is held by season ticket holders. A good percentage of those ticket holders sell their tickets at several times their original face value. That is what makes it insane. The season ticket holders are picking a few games to attend and getting every penny of their original investment back and most likely enough to easily cover any associated costs while at the game.

Edit: Okay, I finally found a story that said he said he asked the Saints to refund him $8000 to cover the cost of the tickets and costs associated with their purchase. That does not change the fact that it sets a bad precedent that could be used by any fan wanting out of their ticket purchase by claiming that something was offensive to them. I'm offended by visiting fans. Is that a basis for getting a refund?

All you had to do was read the very article in the original post of this thread to see where it says he asked them for a refund. You didn't have to hunt it down.

And yes, the prices ARE insane. Sure, season ticket holders might drive it up, but most people can't afford season tickets. I wonder why that is? Could it be, just maybe, that the NFL is gauging it's fans? Say it ain't so... I'm afraid so.

And why should he have sold them instead of asking for his money back? I think he absolutely wanted to make sure the team paid the price, in the process. Similar to how most people send things they don't like right back where they bought it from, instead of trying to sell it. You want that company to understand your dissatisfaction. That isn't some evil ploy for attention. It's common practice.

And no, it does not set a bad precedent for them to give a refund. The NFL has ALREADY set a bad precedent by allowing it's players to make a mockery of the sport, wagging their fingers and telling the owners what THEY can and cannot do or say. Fans are angry, and it's the NFL's responsibility to fix the problem. But they are too afraid to stand up to the players, which is extremely pathetic.

You're analogy is apples to oranges. Saying "I don't like the visiting fans" and "I don't like my team disrespecting my country, and protesting matters with no facts behind them, when I came to be entertained" are two very different things.

Annoying visiting fans are part of the game. They pay for their seats just like everyone else. Don't tell me you can't differentiate one fan complaint from another.

I reread the article linked to in the original post and it does not mention anything about his going to the Saints and asking for a refund which they refused. You go back and read it word for word. So, yes, I did have to search for it. At least I took the time to do just that.



Saints season ticket prices range from a high of $3080 ($308 per game) down to $390 ($39 per game). Given every Saints game has sold out for over the last decade they are clearly not priced too high. It is what the market bears. That is simple economics.



That falls in line with my suggestion he is trying to make a point instead of simply getting his money back.



A small percentage of fans are angry. Personally, I think the whole thing is trivial, and like the vast majority of fans, I don't let it get in the way of being entertained.



No it isn't. It is perception. Regardless of how you see the act not everyone sees it as disrespecting their country or protesting without facts. That is your opinion. My sample opinion is just as valid.



I gave a sample that someone MAY use. It is no more valid a reason for a refund that what is being requested by this guy. I love the visiting fans myself. I usually make sure I interact and have on occasions led them to a favorite spot following the game.

'Guido, you clearly have no clue what is going on, and that's fine if ignorance is bliss to you. I have followed the ratings and seen the massive amount of negative attention the NFL has gotten from this whole thing. Stands around the league have been emptying, while you have been sitting in your chair pretending everything is great and making football your "god". You have demonstrated time and again just how naive YOU are. You cannot stand for anyone to say anything negative about your all important football team. You know why the people who still go to games are going? Because they are addicted to their team. I get it... I understand those people, but for you to suggest that they are all going because they don't care about the protests, is pure ignorance.

And as for this guy "making a point", as I said, whenever a customer is dissatisfied with a product, they tend to want to make it known. That does NOT suggest that he is doing this for the sole purpose of making a point. The guy isn't happy about what is going on, and he wants a refund. Should a point be made to the Saints and the NFL? Absolutely. It's become a political cesspool, and this is precisely why people like me are boycotting.

You clearly did not read the article word for word. It clearly says he went to the team and asked for a refund, but was turned down. You either aren't paying close enough attention, or you are lying to me. So don't pull that on me.

As for the season ticket prices, you seem to be missing a major point: While the lowest priced tickets might not be astronomical, you have to buy the entire package, as opposed to just a one time deal, and that gets expensive. But those "cheap" seats sell out quickly, and you are left with tickets that only wealthy people can afford.

As for your opinion being valid, I didn't suggest it wasn't, though I obviously disagree with you. But opinions, however valid or not, only make a difference when thy are shared with a majority. And so while you might choose to live in a bubble where nothing else matters as long as you are entertained, the fact is that you are not in the majority. I personally know people who are not boycotting, but hate what the NFL is doing. I can't make them boycott, and I won't attempt to. People will do what needs to be done when the time is right. Rome didn't fall over night, but when it did fall, it fell hard. Such will be the case for the NFL.

Lastly, this fan has a far greater reason to ask for a refund than the example you gave. Your example is something that is small and part of the game. This protesting is not only disrespectful, but it's a lie. They are pushing for justice where it isn't needed. They, along with the media, have brought negative attention to cops, which has helped to incite violence against police, and lead to murders of police. The NFL would not allow those officers to be honored when the Cowboys actually wanted to do something good to remember them. But they allow the protests with no consequences? Do you see my problem here, 'Guido?

There are a lot of things that you have not paid attention to, and you have just assumed that it's all a bunch of nothing. Pop that bubble, pal, and take a look at what's happening and ask yourself what exactly these players are doing. It is far from a trivial matter.