Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

homerj07 · 01-03-2018, 08:39 PM

Sorry Drew brings more then just a game manager. He is the face of the Saints. Some of the money he, or any face of a franchise, does get paid for that.

For better or worse.

The jackass Ravens set the bar when they gave top dollar to that idiot QB Flacco. Then the bar got broken again and again.

Who would you rather have, that will be available, at QB for next year?

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Sorry Drew brings more then just a game manager. He is the face of the Saints. Some of the money he, or any face of a franchise, does get paid for that.

For better or worse.

The jackass Ravens set the bar when they gave top dollar to that idiot QB Flacco. Then the bar got broken again and again.

Who would you rather have, that will be available, at QB for next year?

I don't follow the team, other than checking box scores anymore, so it's of no actual consequence to me, either way. I'm arguing from a matter of practicality, in how I see it.

Alex Smith will be available, and considering the comparison of how he and Brees both played this year, I might sign him, knowing he's cheaper and has a few less years of wear and tear. Now, if Drew wanted to take lesser money (I doubt that happens), then I'd stay with him a little longer. But I'm not willing to pay "face of the franchise" money, on reputation. Show me you're elite, and I'll pay you accordingly.

saintfan · 01-03-2018, 08:47 PM

An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out.

And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out.

And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that.

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

saintfan · 01-03-2018, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees.

Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today.

But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

burningmetal · 01-04-2018, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees.

Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today.

But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Rather than repeat myself, I'll refer you to my post right above this one for my personal definition of a game manager.

As for Trent Dilfer, I don't even think he was a good game manager. He honestly did almost nothing. They were winning games 10-7 and 7-3. Drew is not a bad QB. He's still a very good one. But I don't see him showing a consistent ability to take over games when he doesn't have the luxury of an effective running game and defense. I respect if people disagree with me. But I'm making what I see as a legitimate observation.

He's a QB you'd rather have than not, compared to most of what's out there. But, I wouldn't pay more than he's making currently, if it were up to me.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2018, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

The point that you are not getting is that Brees isn't simply a game manager. If you actually watched the games you would see that he is just as capable as he has always been. All you see are his stats which you interpret as a drop-off in ability. The reality is that the running game and an improved defense have lessened the need for him to put up the huge numbers. It hasn't been necessary, but to be as good as the Saints can be it is vital that the capability is there if, and when, it is needed.

FinSaint · 01-04-2018, 12:46 AM

NFL is not moneyball, so just looking at stats holds less validity than it does in a sport like baseball.

Box scores tell quite a limited story of the events that unfold in the game itself.

There are quite a few teams looking for a leader, who would drown Brees in cash if he would be available.

I don't see anything in Brees' performances, which would warrant a change in that position. He is still top 5 in his position in the league, and would be extremely difficult to replace without taking a hit to the overall effectiveness of the offense.

The Saints are financially in an ok place, and with the ever increasing salary budget - re-signing Brees is a no-brainer IMO.

burningmetal · 01-04-2018, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

NFL is not moneyball, so just looking at stats holds less validity than it does in a sport like baseball.

Box scores tell quite a limited story of the events that unfold in the game itself.

There are quite a few teams looking for a leader, who would drown Brees in cash if he would be available.

I don't see anything in Brees' performances, which would warrant a change in that position. He is still top 5 in his position in the league, and would be extremely difficult to replace without taking a hit to the overall effectiveness of the offense.

The Saints are financially in an ok place, and with the ever increasing salary budget - re-signing Brees is a no-brainer IMO.

I realize and agree that just plain stats don't always tell the story. But I am aware from reading summaries and seeing what games the running game was there, or wasn't there (including the first two games that I DID watch, before I began boycotting), that Brees didn't really step up when he was called upon to carry the offense. So how impressive was his season, really? I am not thoroughly impressed.

I think there is a lot of bias on this board because of what Brees has done over his career. I expect the reactions I get. But I stopped being so biased about players, even when I was supporting the team, long ago. The guy is going on 40. It's ok to do what he's doing at his age. Is it elite? I've given my answer numerous times. You folks disagree with me. That's fine. I'm not one to say things for the sake of saying it, or stirring up controversy. I'm calling it as I see it.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2018, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I realize and agree that just plain stats don't always tell the story. But I am aware from reading summaries and seeing what games the running game was there, or wasn't there (including the first two games that I DID watch, before I began boycotting), that Brees didn't really step up when he was called upon to carry the offense. So how impressive was his season, really? I am not thoroughly impressed.

I think there is a lot of bias on this board because of what Brees has done over his career. I expect the reactions I get. But I stopped being so biased about players, even when I was supporting the team, long ago. The guy is going on 40. It's ok to do what he's doing at his age. Is it elite? I've given my answer numerous times. You folks disagree with me. That's fine. I'm not one to say things for the sake of saying it, or stirring up controversy. I'm calling it as I see it.

No you aren't calling it as you see it because you haven't seen it. THAT is the point. If you had seen it you would understand why you are so far off base. Nothing personal, but in this case you truly do not know what you are talking about because you have chosen to ignore one of the most important factors when evaluating the performance of an NFL player ... the eye test.

01-03-2018, 08:39 PM	#1
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Sorry Drew brings more then just a game manager. He is the face of the Saints. Some of the money he, or any face of a franchise, does get paid for that. For better or worse. The jackass Ravens set the bar when they gave top dollar to that idiot QB Flacco. Then the bar got broken again and again. Who would you rather have, that will be available, at QB for next year?

01-03-2018, 09:04 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by homerj07 Sorry Drew brings more then just a game manager. He is the face of the Saints. Some of the money he, or any face of a franchise, does get paid for that. For better or worse. The jackass Ravens set the bar when they gave top dollar to that idiot QB Flacco. Then the bar got broken again and again. Who would you rather have, that will be available, at QB for next year? I don't follow the team, other than checking box scores anymore, so it's of no actual consequence to me, either way. I'm arguing from a matter of practicality, in how I see it. Alex Smith will be available, and considering the comparison of how he and Brees both played this year, I might sign him, knowing he's cheaper and has a few less years of wear and tear. Now, if Drew wanted to take lesser money (I doubt that happens), then I'd stay with him a little longer. But I'm not willing to pay "face of the franchise" money, on reputation. Show me you're elite, and I'll pay you accordingly.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-03-2018, 08:47 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out. And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-03-2018, 09:07 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by saintfan An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out. And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that. Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

01-03-2018, 09:43 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by burningmetal Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get. Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees. Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today. But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
	C'mon Man...

01-04-2018, 12:28 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by saintfan Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees. Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today. But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree. Rather than repeat myself, I'll refer you to my post right above this one for my personal definition of a game manager. As for Trent Dilfer, I don't even think he was a good game manager. He honestly did almost nothing. They were winning games 10-7 and 7-3. Drew is not a bad QB. He's still a very good one. But I don't see him showing a consistent ability to take over games when he doesn't have the luxury of an effective running game and defense. I respect if people disagree with me. But I'm making what I see as a legitimate observation. He's a QB you'd rather have than not, compared to most of what's out there. But, I wouldn't pay more than he's making currently, if it were up to me.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-04-2018, 07:24 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by burningmetal Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get. The point that you are not getting is that Brees isn't simply a game manager. If you actually watched the games you would see that he is just as capable as he has always been. All you see are his stats which you interpret as a drop-off in ability. The reality is that the running game and an improved defense have lessened the need for him to put up the huge numbers. It hasn't been necessary, but to be as good as the Saints can be it is vital that the capability is there if, and when, it is needed. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-04-2018, 12:46 AM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season NFL is not moneyball, so just looking at stats holds less validity than it does in a sport like baseball. Box scores tell quite a limited story of the events that unfold in the game itself. There are quite a few teams looking for a leader, who would drown Brees in cash if he would be available. I don't see anything in Brees' performances, which would warrant a change in that position. He is still top 5 in his position in the league, and would be extremely difficult to replace without taking a hit to the overall effectiveness of the offense. The Saints are financially in an ok place, and with the ever increasing salary budget - re-signing Brees is a no-brainer IMO. SaintFanInATLHELL, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-04-2018, 01:06 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by FinSaint NFL is not moneyball, so just looking at stats holds less validity than it does in a sport like baseball. Box scores tell quite a limited story of the events that unfold in the game itself. There are quite a few teams looking for a leader, who would drown Brees in cash if he would be available. I don't see anything in Brees' performances, which would warrant a change in that position. He is still top 5 in his position in the league, and would be extremely difficult to replace without taking a hit to the overall effectiveness of the offense. The Saints are financially in an ok place, and with the ever increasing salary budget - re-signing Brees is a no-brainer IMO. I realize and agree that just plain stats don't always tell the story. But I am aware from reading summaries and seeing what games the running game was there, or wasn't there (including the first two games that I DID watch, before I began boycotting), that Brees didn't really step up when he was called upon to carry the offense. So how impressive was his season, really? I am not thoroughly impressed. I think there is a lot of bias on this board because of what Brees has done over his career. I expect the reactions I get. But I stopped being so biased about players, even when I was supporting the team, long ago. The guy is going on 40. It's ok to do what he's doing at his age. Is it elite? I've given my answer numerous times. You folks disagree with me. That's fine. I'm not one to say things for the sake of saying it, or stirring up controversy. I'm calling it as I see it.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-04-2018, 07:33 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by burningmetal I realize and agree that just plain stats don't always tell the story. But I am aware from reading summaries and seeing what games the running game was there, or wasn't there (including the first two games that I DID watch, before I began boycotting), that Brees didn't really step up when he was called upon to carry the offense. So how impressive was his season, really? I am not thoroughly impressed. I think there is a lot of bias on this board because of what Brees has done over his career. I expect the reactions I get. But I stopped being so biased about players, even when I was supporting the team, long ago. The guy is going on 40. It's ok to do what he's doing at his age. Is it elite? I've given my answer numerous times. You folks disagree with me. That's fine. I'm not one to say things for the sake of saying it, or stirring up controversy. I'm calling it as I see it. No you aren't calling it as you see it because you haven't seen it. THAT is the point. If you had seen it you would understand why you are so far off base. Nothing personal, but in this case you truly do not know what you are talking about because you have chosen to ignore one of the most important factors when evaluating the performance of an NFL player ... the eye test.

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