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Halo 03-15-2018 02:49 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
If this is true, he can enjoy his life and let's just go grab Okafor back....


Papa Voodoo 03-15-2018 02:50 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 795385)
If this is true, he can enjoy his life and let's just go grab Okafur back....

https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/statu...64507777716224

Crikey! That's absurd. Have fun in Clevland.

rezburna 03-15-2018 02:50 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 795380)
Question what is his "market value" right now. Since 2014 his sack total and tackles have dropped every year. Last year he only had 47 tackles and 4.5 sacks. That's barely better than what we have now at DT. At 31 yrs old I can't see those numbers improving to validate his contract.

That's like double the tackles and sacks of Sheldon Rankins, plus we'd have to look at the analytics on how often he pressures the QB and clogs running lanes. 47 tackles is a lot for a DT.

rezburna 03-15-2018 02:51 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 795385)
If this is true, he can enjoy his life and let's just go grab Okafor back....

https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/statu...64507777716224

Yeah....**** that. Next. Lol.

saintfan 03-15-2018 02:51 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Yeah that's the 'absurd' number i was talking about somewhere else. I'd like him here and don't mind paying the man, but that's more than just a bit too much.

Halo 03-15-2018 02:52 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Truly I would have been happy with a healthy Okafor from the get-go. He is shopping himself, but the dude was a beast when he was healthy. We were destroying teams up front with him. To hell with $20 mill, whatever. 10 mill, maybe....

saintfan 03-15-2018 02:55 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 795391)
Truly I would have been happy with a healthy Okafor from the get-go. He is shopping himself, but the dude was a beast when he was healthy. We were destroying teams up front with him. To hell with $20 mill, whatever. 10 mill, maybe....

Right - 10-12 mil, make it happen Loomie. Otherwise I hope Suh enjoys the Rock N Roll HOF up there in "the land"...

K Major 03-15-2018 02:57 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Donkey Kong did kinda throw it out there that he is going to the highest suitor. Getting top dollar is more important than winning it appears.

It won't be the Saints.

brees84 03-15-2018 03:12 PM

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Halo 03-15-2018 03:12 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 

AsylumGuido 03-15-2018 03:27 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
If the numbers were not doable the visit would never be happening. Payton will feel him out to assure he would fit the dynamics of the team. As much as he has been stressing that I would be shocked if he suddenly ignored it in this case. Suh has always had the reputation as a soft spoken, insightful person off the field, while over the first half of his career he had a tendency to be too intense on the field and that is what got him into trouble.

K Major 03-15-2018 03:29 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Saints will be his first official visit.

As further evidence the #Cowboys are out of the running for DT Ndamukong Suh, I’ve confirmed Suh will be in New Orleans Friday for a visit. Per source informed, “the visit will be important for both sides to make sure it’s a good fit”

— Jane Slater (@SlaterNFL) March 15, 2018

Garry42 03-15-2018 03:35 PM

re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
I have no concerns with Suh's abilities. If the Front Office is comfortable with him I think this would be a great signing. Suh's reputation precedes him, so I have every confidence Mickey et al will ask the right questions and have the right clauses in any potential contract offer. We have an experienced management team, so my confidence is in them right now. Suh at his best would put us over the top....JMHO.

K Major 03-15-2018 03:37 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Pq31kHa0MDWuc/200w.webp

Halo 03-15-2018 03:42 PM

re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Ok so Suh had a 6 year $114 million dollar deal in place with Miami.
when he joined them in 2015. His base salary this year (2018) would have been $17 million, and of his contract $60 million was guaranteed.

This guy got paid. His performance has declined and $17 mil is way too much. I think Suh would sign for 10 mil a year for 2 years or close.

CheramieIII 03-15-2018 03:43 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
We just got a 3 mill refund on Fairley so that adds to our cap space. I say stick with the receivers we have and sign Suh. He will be a very big add for our team and disrupt from the inside. I am really getting excited now. DE, LT and WR in the draft!

jnormand 03-15-2018 03:49 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 795416)
We just got a 3 mill refund on Fairley so that adds to our cap space. I say stick with the receivers we have and sign Suh. He will be a very big add for our team and disrupt from the inside. I am really getting excited now. DE, LT and WR in the draft!

If he's signed, let's hope the opposing offense is the only thing he disruptive with.

nola_swammi 03-15-2018 03:50 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
If the Price is Right! Come on down.

Not a real big fan of Suh, but I wasn't a big fan of Fairley and he turned out to be a nice pickup

Halo 03-15-2018 03:50 PM

re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 795335)
Dead Caponomics. LMAO!

Loominomics:

Cap Money
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Dead Cap Money
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RESULTS:

SuperBowl
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OR


Suffocate
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Halo 03-15-2018 03:52 PM

re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Compare numbers

Suh
Ndamukong Suh, DT for the Miami Dolphins at NFL.com

VS.

Okafor
Alex Okafor, DE for the New Orleans Saints at NFL.com

brees84 03-15-2018 03:59 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Different positions. Can't compare.

CheramieIII 03-15-2018 04:01 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 795423)

I love that Suh has missed very little time because of injury in his career. We need that!

Halo 03-15-2018 04:01 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 795425)
Different positions. Can't compare.

It's true but it keeps the conversation alive.....
:lightsabres:

ChrisXVI 03-15-2018 04:06 PM

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I’ve been totally against this potential signing, but I’m going to put my faith in Payton making the right decision. If he and our players think it’ll work then let’s give it a shot.

One thing to think about: Jermon Bushrod was his teammate in Miami and would surely tell us if it was a bad idea.

Halo 03-15-2018 04:09 PM

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I've been following Okafor's visit the the Bucs today, and no word out of Bucs camp on an offer or if a deal is done. The longer we don't hear the more it sounds like no offer or he wants to talk to the Saints again.

saintfan 03-15-2018 04:11 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 795427)
It's true but it keeps the conversation alive.....
:lightsabres:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.weal...05_cropped.jpg

K Major 03-15-2018 04:13 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HFkA...Yqw8/giphy.gif

Hey ... I'm kidding about potentially throwing unlimited dollars @ Suh.

But I keep telling myself ... "win now mode, win now mode". Trust the Saints front office to do the right thing.

Papa Voodoo 03-15-2018 04:48 PM

Re: SUH coming to New Orleans!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 795416)
We just got a 3 mill refund on Fairley so that adds to our cap space. I say stick with the receivers we have and sign Suh. He will be a very big add for our team and disrupt from the inside. I am really getting excited now. DE, LT and WR in the draft!

I think the lack of TE production and how the offense slowed down when AK went out shows we need a WR or TE that is a consistent threat. Ginn can do it for 1 more year and maybe Snead gets his head right, but we're one concussion from being in big trouble. Nothing to do with Suh.

spkb25 03-15-2018 05:02 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
suh would more than likely help out SR quite a bit

Halo 03-15-2018 06:03 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Okafor left Bucs without a deal...

https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...t-without-deal

voodooido 03-15-2018 06:35 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!

vpheughan 03-15-2018 06:51 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
"WWSD" What Would Spags Do?

skymike 03-15-2018 07:34 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
I dont think Suh is a Sean Payton kind of guy.

OldMaid 03-15-2018 09:02 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 792479)
No, No, No, No, No, No, No!!!! That emphatic enough?



No so let me help you out.:mad:
NO and HELL NO!:D

Saints like making penalties as it is so they do not need Ndamukong Suh taking cheap shots and his antics at 10, 15 yards a time OR MORE OR WORST.
NO,

saintsfan1976 03-15-2018 09:06 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 795469)
Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!

I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.

voodooido 03-15-2018 09:20 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 795490)
I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.

Stats don’t lie brother, 4.5 sacks and 43 tackles. His lowest output of his career. He might be disruptive but for 10+ million we need more than disruption.

Lord_Saint83 03-15-2018 09:21 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 795490)
I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.


You are right linemen on both sides shouldnt be aww shucks guys but mean and nasty bastards. Now granted suh get a lil carried away sometimes but its a adrenaline fueled sport. If he was as much trouble as some claim dan campbell and bushrod would of said steer from him. Also we have been missing the interior rush last year he brings that and the ability to take on double teams that free up other guys.

FinSaint 03-15-2018 09:26 PM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 795469)
Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!


Kind of like how I feel about it, but, on the other hand, the Saints have been missing that dominant inside tackle since like La'Roi Glover in the early 2000s.

Its very hard to evaluate a DTs worth based on numbers alone, since it depends so much on the defensive scheme and what that player is asked to do within that scheme. Arguably some of the best 4-3 DTs of the past couple of decades may not have had the numbers stats-wise when it comes to tackles and sacks, but their performances have allowed other players on that defensive front to make plays that have elevated the respective worth of those players around them. I haven't really seen enough of footage of Suh playing since he left NFC North, so I don't how well Miami used him in their schemes, and if that has something to do with his stat numbers.

I'm just tired of DTs that were supposedly difference makers, i.e. Jenkins, Ellis, Rogers, Franklin, etc., who ended up being just rotational guys at best or throwing away the potential of some of the players who have moved on from the roster like Johnson and Hicks.

The decision shouldn't be between Okafor or Suh - or a DE and a DT - since those positions compliment each other. I would bet that the Saints would be more than fine with Hendrickson on the other side of the line if someone like Suh would line-up next to him. Also, Okafor leaving Tampa without a contract might suggest that he hasn't fully recovered from the injury, which to my knowledge is not the easiest type to comeback from anyways.

Bottom line, if the F/O thinks Suh is the answer at that position, and they can make the financial side make sense - I'm all for it and actually welcome the bold move to improve the perennial weak spot of the defensive front.

lee909 03-16-2018 12:07 AM

Re: Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)
 
Titans in the mix now too
Think this is going to get expensive

aquaboogie 03-16-2018 12:13 AM

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Was Ireland in Miami at any point while Suh was there? If so he can give the Front office some insight.


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