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foreverfan 03-20-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796118)
I say we forget about Suh and let the rest of those teams have a bidding war. We need to stay out of it. Offer Hankins a good deal and he will do just fine.

Yea... It is l becoming like an overpriced Chinese menu for Fu-K-Suh... :rolleyes:

CheramieIII 03-20-2018 03:46 PM

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I just posted on his Facebook asking him to chose between the Rams, Seahawks, Raiders and Titans and stay away from New Orleans. This crap is getting ridiculous.

AsylumGuido 03-20-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796120)
I just posted on his Facebook asking him to chose between the Rams, Seahawks, Raiders and Titans and stay away from New Orleans. This crap is getting ridiculous.

What's the problem with it? Nothing about it bothers me in the least. In fact, it has nothing to do with me. If he eventually signs with the Saints ... fine. He he doesn't ... fine. Whatever he does between now and then is his business and should have no impact on us as Saints fans.

Go get you a beer, or beverage of your choice, and ignore his "tour".

frydaddy 03-20-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796120)
I just posted on his Facebook asking him to chose between the Rams, Seahawks, Raiders and Titans and stay away from New Orleans. This crap is getting ridiculous.

No offense man, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't care the slightest bit about who you think he should choose between, or how ridiculous you find it. I fail to see what's got some of you so worked up about this.

CheramieIII 03-20-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 796121)
What's the problem with it? Nothing about it bothers me in the least. In fact, it has nothing to do with me. If he eventually signs with the Saints ... fine. He he doesn't ... fine. Whatever he does between now and then is his business and should have no impact on us as Saints fans.

Go get you a beer, or beverage of your choice, and ignore his "tour".

I know he doesn't care what I think and I don't really care that he doesn't care. It's like a college recruit flying all over the country just to get some special publicity so he can rape the team that wants to pay more than the other 15 teams that are willing to do so. I think it's really childish and I'm beginning to believe that his on the field antics are an example of his personality period.

CheramieIII 03-20-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 796121)
What's the problem with it? Nothing about it bothers me in the least. In fact, it has nothing to do with me. If he eventually signs with the Saints ... fine. He he doesn't ... fine. Whatever he does between now and then is his business and should have no impact on us as Saints fans.

Go get you a beer, or beverage of your choice, and ignore his "tour".

I have a beverage and it's Marijuana beer. Cheers!

jnormand 03-20-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 796077)
Lol come on guys, you kinda sound like a bunch of old ninny's, nitpicking his choice of words and his choice to meet with multiple teams. I don't blame him for it. This might be the last contract he signs, I'd take my time too. And if he does sign here and ends up being a key piece on D then none of this is gonna matter. Just relax and let it work itself out.

Not at all. When was the last time you've seen someone in the NFL act like this? It just seems like he thinks he's ****in royalty or something. All he's doing is driving up the price. It's annoying. And childish. Just my opinion. He's not royalty. He's not a musician on a tour. He's a football player. And it actually makes me really hope we don't sign him. Call Hankins.

AsylumGuido 03-20-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796126)
I know he doesn't care what I think and I don't really care that he doesn't care. It's like a college recruit flying all over the country just to get some special publicity so he can rape the team that wants to pay more than the other 15 teams that are willing to do so. I think it's really childish and I'm beginning to believe that his on the field antics are an example of his personality period.

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796127)
I have a beverage and it's Marijuana beer. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 796131)
Not at all. When was the last time you've seen someone in the NFL act like this? It just seems like he thinks he's ****in royalty or something. All he's doing is driving up the price. It's annoying. And childish. Just my opinion. He's not royalty. He's not a musician on a tour. He's a football player. And it actually makes me really hope we don't sign him. Call Hankins.

Once again, who cares? I just can't understand why y'all are getting your panties in a wad over this. Who cares what he does? Why does it mean anything to you?

I wouldn't care if he wore a powdered wig and was attended by royal guards on his epic tour as long as he helped us win and was the good teammate as he has appeared to be everywhere else.

Let him milk this.

Chill out.

:bng:

frydaddy 03-20-2018 07:08 PM

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Calais Campbell did a freakin' ESPN special on his free agency experience last year. I remember a few years back when we brought in Victor Butler (ugh), he visited with a number of teams before settling on us. He didn't have the name value of a guy like Suh, so sports media and social media weren't making a big deal over it. And he's just the first guy who comes to mind. I could dig and I'm sure find plenty of other guys who took their sweet time and visited a bunch of teams, but I'm lazy. The biggest problem some of you seem to have is with his use of the word "tour," either that or the fact that he's posting updates to his social media. That's the age we live in now folks, I hate it as much as anyone, but most people are hooked on it and have a compulsive need to share.

saintfan 03-20-2018 07:15 PM

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A three hour tour...
A three hour tour...

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darksoul35 03-20-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 796146)
Calais Campbell did a freakin' ESPN special on his free agency experience last year. I remember a few years back when we brought in Victor Butler (ugh), he visited with a number of teams before settling on us. He didn't have the name value of a guy like Suh, so sports media and social media weren't making a big deal over it. And he's just the first guy who comes to mind. I could dig and I'm sure find plenty of other guys who took their sweet time and visited a bunch of teams, but I'm lazy. The biggest problem some of you seem to have is with his use of the word "tour," either that or the fact that he's posting updates to his social media. That's the age we live in now folks, I hate it as much as anyone, but most people are hooked on it and have a compulsive need to share.

I hate it with a passion but you hit the nail on the head.

ChrisXVI 03-20-2018 08:16 PM

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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
To that point, I should add that #Suh likes Cam Jordan personally (as does the whole league), and certainly recognizes how dominant they could be on the same line. #Saints

jnormand 03-20-2018 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 796133)
Once again, who cares? I just can't understand why y'all are getting your panties in a wad over this. Who cares what he does? Why does it mean anything to you?

I wouldn't care if he wore a powdered wig and was attended by royal guards on his epic tour as long as he helped us win and was the good teammate as he has appeared to be everywhere else.

Let him milk this.

Chill out.

:bng:

Hey man, I don't like bad apples. And I know it isn't my money. But I don't like a bunch of cap space going to a guy that turns out like Galette (who had a hit on the cap for 2 seasons after he was gone).

I understand that I don't "know" he'll turn out that way. But I see some red flags. If he signs, great. I just hope that the Saints don't get into a bidding war and overpay. And I also hope that he's not some kind of douche. I've never liked the guy as a player. I've always thought he was a dirty and disrespectful player. If he can be signed without breaking the bank and plays respectable, I'm all for it. But I have my opinions of him. Just as I do other players in the NFL.

SmashMouth 03-21-2018 07:47 AM

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Report: Ndamukong Suh visiting Raiders next – ProFootballTalk


Is this just a trip for free meals? The Raiders appear to be trying to shed money to resign Mack. Signing Suh only hurts that.


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saintsfan1976 03-21-2018 08:47 AM

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A Gruden Grinder? I could see that.

AsylumGuido 03-21-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 796155)
Hey man, I don't like bad apples. And I know it isn't my money. But I don't like a bunch of cap space going to a guy that turns out like Galette (who had a hit on the cap for 2 seasons after he was gone).

I understand that I don't "know" he'll turn out that way. But I see some red flags. If he signs, great. I just hope that the Saints don't get into a bidding war and overpay. And I also hope that he's not some kind of douche. I've never liked the guy as a player. I've always thought he was a dirty and disrespectful player. If he can be signed without breaking the bank and plays respectable, I'm all for it. But I have my opinions of him. Just as I do other players in the NFL.

I understand some of you that don't like him as a player. That's not what I was addressing. I was talking about getting all bent out of shape over his "tour". I just don't get what the issue is with that.

SmashMouth 03-21-2018 10:11 AM

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These guys predict Titans... :popcorn:

2018 NFL Free Agency: Rumors, Predictions on Ndamukong Suh, Terrelle Pryor, More | Bleacher Report

foreverfan 03-21-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 796147)
A three hour tour...
A three hour tour...

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ChrisXVI 03-21-2018 01:53 PM

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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Free agent DT Ndamukong Suh’s visit to the #Raiders is now off, sources tell me and @MikeSilver. He’s back home and not likely to make a decision today. The #Rams made a strong impression on him, but he’s also considering the #Saints & #Titans. Nothing done yet.
1:51 PM · Mar 21, 2018

lee909 03-21-2018 02:01 PM

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And then there was three

CheramieIII 03-21-2018 02:27 PM

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He stopped after the Rams so I think it's a 80% chance it's them but them again after the Rams visit he could've figured the Saints or Titans were the best fit and decided to stop the "Tour"!

saintsfan1976 03-21-2018 03:11 PM

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Rams.
Younger QB, coach. Playing next to an All Star. Larger market for his investments. Closer to home.

Plus Rams have to slow down three solid QBs in the division

K Major 03-21-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 796217)
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Free agent DT Ndamukong Suh’s visit to the #Raiders is now off, sources tell me and @MikeSilver. He’s back home and not likely to make a decision today. The #Rams made a strong impression on him, but he’s also considering the #Saints & #Titans. Nothing done yet.
1:51 PM · Mar 21, 2018

Cancel on the Raiders? Suh's mind is probably already made up on where he wants to play in 2018.

Lord_Saint83 03-21-2018 03:28 PM

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Well looks like hankins might be our consolation prize

saintsfan1976 03-21-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 796228)
Well looks like hankins might be our consolation prize

I would consider Hankins a prize signing. Tons of value (no pun intended).

Lord_Saint83 03-21-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 796231)
I would consider Hankins a prize signing. Tons of value (no pun intended).

Lol, he is great at run stopping no doubt but i was hoping for a nick fairley type dt that specializes in getting in the back field

jeanpierre 03-21-2018 04:43 PM

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around his whole down south comment post-visit...

He played in freakin' Miami, other than Key West and points in between, what's with this down south view?

SmashMouth 03-21-2018 04:49 PM

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https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Uk3Y...6/Nobu.0.0.jpg

Where he had dinner with the Rams... Malibu.

McVay and Suh cuddling and fondling over candlelight dinner with this view.

jeanpierre 03-21-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 796238)
Where he had dinner with the Rams... Malibu.

McVay and Suh cuddling and fondling over candlelight dinner with this view.

:lolup:

AsylumGuido 03-21-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 796237)
I'm still trying to wrap my head around his whole down south comment post-visit...

He played in freakin' Miami, other than Key West and points in between, what's with this down south view?

The culture in Miami is not Southern. Nor is Key West.

CheramieIII 03-21-2018 05:20 PM

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If the Rams pay a lot to get Suh they better get ready to restructure Arnold's. They already have approx 24 million invested in the defensive line without Suh's possible salary. If they pay Suh 11 or 12 million that gets the 24 million to 36 million and with Arnold's demands for a raise they will have over 40 million invested in their d line. They have approx. 31 million left in cap space.

darksoul35 03-21-2018 09:46 PM

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I did want to go all out and get him. Now I don't care. If he doesn't sign with us I think we will destroy whatever team he signs with. I like every move we made so I'm happy as is. We still have the draft to go.

Utah_Saint 03-21-2018 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 796228)
Well looks like hankins might be our consolation prize

I'd love if the Saints could pick up Hankins but I haven't seen anything linking the two. I don't know if they've shown any interest.

jeanpierre 03-22-2018 12:55 AM

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jnormand 03-22-2018 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 796277)

That says it all. Buyer beware. He's a "me first" player. Really don't like the guy. If he's signed we better have someone that'll put him in his place.

saintsfan1976 03-22-2018 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 796278)
That says it all. Buyer beware. He's a "me first" player. Really don't like the guy. If he's signed we better have someone that'll put him in his place.

Says what, exactly?

The writer failed to detail a single incident of Suh being a detriment to his team. In fact he as far as to say “Suh was not a bad apple”.

Bottom line is the Dolphins paid franchise QB money to a player that makes a fraction of the impact a QB does. They were desperate to win after all the turmoil (see Ireland) and went after the bigggest Fish they could. Same happened with Saban, with Culpepper....

I pin this failure on the Dolphins. Not Suh.

CheramieIII 03-22-2018 12:17 PM

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Whats going on with this dude. He has 3 teams to choose from and I don't understand how you couldn't make the decision by now. I guess the "TOUR" continues

saintfan 03-22-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 796313)
Whats going on with this dude. He has 3 teams to choose from and I don't understand how you couldn't make the decision by now. I guess the "TOUR" continues

He's in the driver's seat. We should all be so fortunate. Why is everybody hating on this man? He is not Junior Galette - he's not remotely close and that comparison is 100% unfair and unwarranted.

Miami didn't like the contract, and it sure smells like some there want to blame Suh for the fact that they suck.

Whether we get him or we don't I don't get all the hate. If I were in Suh's position I'd do more or less exactly what he's doing. He is weighing his options - let's not hate on the man because he's doing what any reasonable person would do.

jnormand 03-22-2018 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 796314)
He's in the driver's seat. We should all be so fortunate. Why is everybody hating on this man? He is not Junior Galette - he's not remotely close and that comparison is 100% unfair and unwarranted.

Miami didn't like the contract, and it sure smells like some there want to blame Suh for the fact that they suck.

Whether we get him or we don't I don't get all the hate. If I were in Suh's position I'd do more or less exactly what he's doing. He is weighing his options - let's not hate on the man because he's doing what any reasonable person would do.

This is why I don't respect him as a player and don't really like the idea of him on the team, especially if he's paid the money he's asking for:

His rookie year saw the beginning of what would take Suh to a league record amount of fines for on-the-field behavior.[47] He was fined $7,500 in a preseason game against the Cleveland Browns for a facemask of Jake Delhomme, fined $5,000 for using an opponent as leverage on a field goal in a week 9 game against the Jets, and fined $15,000 in a week 13 game against the Bears for unnecessary roughness against quarterback Jay Cutler.

2011 season

Suh in 2011.
During the third quarter of the Lions' Thanksgiving game against the Green Bay Packers on November 24, 2011, Suh pushed Packers' offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith's head into the ground three times, then stomped on his arm. All of this took place after the whistle was blown. Suh was penalized for unnecessary roughness and ejected from the game.[48] The resulting penalty gave the Packers an automatic first down. The Packers would score a touchdown two plays later, giving them a 14–0 lead and an eventual 27–15 victory.

Initially, Suh denied stomping on Dietrich-Smith, saying he was only trying to get his balance back.[49] However, on Friday morning, the Lions issued a statement calling Suh's actions "unacceptable". Within hours, Suh wrote on his Facebook page that he'd "made a mistake" a day before and intended to learn from it.[50] Fox Sports NFL rules analyst and former vice president of officiating Mike Pereira said that based on his knowledge of league discipline, "the question won’t be if the NFL will suspend Suh, but when—and for how many games". He drew parallels between Suh's actions and those of Albert Haynesworth, who drew a five-game suspension—the longest suspension for an on-field incident in modern NFL history—for stomping on Andre Gurode's head in 2006.[51]

On November 29, the NFL suspended Suh for two games without pay which was $165,294 in lost wages.[47] In announcing the decision, Roger Goodell noted that it was the fifth time Suh had been disciplined for on-field conduct.[52] Suh appealed the decision, and the NFL held an expedited hearing before former Oakland Raiders coach Art Shell, so that a decision could be handed down before the Lions' next game, on December 4, against the New Orleans Saints.[53] The appeal was turned down on December 2, forcing Suh to sit out the game against the Saints and the December 11 game against the Minnesota Vikings.[54]

Suh was named a Pro Bowl alternate for the NFC after the 2011 NFL season.[55] He finished the 2011 season with 4 sacks, a pass defended, and 26 tackles.

2012 season
During a Thanksgiving game on November 22, 2012, Suh was involved in a play in which he kicked Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub in the groin. The incident resulted in a $30,000 fine from the league, nearly double the mandated fine for a second offense of "striking/kicking/kneeing" an opponent.[56] There was speculation the size of the fine was recognition by the league of Suh's history of questionable on-field hits, while others viewed it as a "wishy-washy" and "cop-out" action by the league in issuing a large fine without a suspension.[56][57] In response, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that "intent is something that’s very difficult for us to ever try to make a judgment on".[57] Suh denied the kick was intentional, stating his foot inadvertently hit Schaub as he was being dragged to the ground.[57] Suh finished 2012 with 8 sacks, 2 passes defended, and 25 tackles in 16 games (15 starts).

2013 season
In the Lions' Week 1 victory over the Minnesota Vikings, 34–24, Suh low blocked John Sullivan during a DeAndre Levy "pick 6"; the resulting personal foul nullified Levy's touchdown. Two days after the game, Suh was fined $100,000 for the hit—which, not counting lost pay for suspensions, is the largest fine ever issued to a player for on-the-field actions. He appealed the fine but the ruling was later upheld by the NFL.[58]

In the Lions' Week 6 victory over the Cleveland Browns, Suh tackled Browns QB Brandon Weeden in a questionable manner. Though not called for a penalty during the game, Suh was fined $31,500 by the NFL, but fine was later rescinded.[59]

During a Thanksgiving game against the Packers on November 28, 2013, Suh sacked Matt Flynn in the end zone, forcing a safety for the first time of his career. On November 29, 2013, Suh was fined $7,875 for performing a throat slash gesture during a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

2014 season
Suh racked up 53 tackles and 8.5 sacks in the 2014 season. In Week 17, against the Green Bay Packers, Suh stepped on quarterback Aaron Rodgers' calf. Suh received a one-game suspension, seemingly barring him from the Wild Card playoff game the following week against the Dallas Cowboys; but on appeal, arbitrator Ted Cottrell reversed the suspension, opting instead for another fine worth $70,000. Suh played in the Wild Card matchup against the Cowboys and sacked Tony Romo twice.

Miami Dolphins
2015 season
On March 11, 2015, the Miami Dolphins announced that they had signed Suh to a six-year, $114 million contract with $60 million guaranteed. The contract made him the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history, passing Houston Texans defensive end J. J. Watt.[60][61][62]

During a game against the Washington Redskins on September 13, 2015, as Redskins' running back Alfred Morris was still lying on the ground following a tackle, Suh appeared to knock Morris's helmet off with his leg. The next day, the NFL announced that they would not discipline him, as "Suh's action was not deemed a kick".[63] Suh started all 16 games in 2015, finishing the season with 61 tackles, six sacks, and five passes defended. He was ranked 40th on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2016.[64]

2016
In 2016, Suh started all 16 games with 72 tackles, 5 sacks, and 6 passes defended. He was ranked 55th by his peers on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2017.[65]

2017
During Thursday Night Football against the Baltimore Ravens in Week 8, Suh committed two unnecessary roughness penalties, including one moment where he attempted to choke Ryan Mallett and shove him out of reach. Suh claimed that his choke on Mallett was a self-defense, thinking that Mallett tried to attack him firsthand. The Dolphins were shut out as they lost 40-0.[66][67]

foreverfan 03-22-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 796314)
He's in the driver's seat. We should all be so fortunate. Why is everybody hating on this man? He is not Junior Galette - he's not remotely close and that comparison is 100% unfair and unwarranted.

Miami didn't like the contract, and it sure smells like some there want to blame Suh for the fact that they suck.

Whether we get him or we don't I don't get all the hate. If I were in Suh's position I'd do more or less exactly what he's doing. He is weighing his options - let's not hate on the man because he's doing what any reasonable person would do.

I hate him if he doesn't sign with us but still lands in the NFC. :doh:


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