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We needed a pass rusher to get to the next level. Barely escaped Newton and co. then the Vikings faceplant. It was a problem. We over paid but so what. Have to do it sometimes. I totally overpaid for a Caddy but we love the car! All the bells and whistles that actually provide some cool features. If one wants that stuff immediately it's gonna cost. We paid it and nothing is saying it should not work out. He's not tapped for talent and not injured. He is also lined up with one of the best and good coaching. All +++'s. I can't think of any real negatives other not not getting a bargain but we got that last year so splurge a little. We blew up the draft last year. Almost NEVER happens. Time to come back to reality.

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Also to note, the "experts" claimed that there were only about 15 or so players this year worthy of a 1st round grade.

We nabbed one of them.

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On paper, best Saints team to ever take the field IMO. Where is the weakness? Maybe depth on lines, LB's but everyone has that problem. Thinking we improve that with the remaining picks. Backup OL and a LB. Maybe a flyer QB or RB.

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Saw Chris Simms and another saying he looked like a Clowney clone but he reminds them off Aldon Smith and DeMarcus Ware

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If overpaying is the difference in getting to the QB and not getting to them then so be it. Be disappointed next year but thats next year

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Dominant player (AS/when mind was right) & the other (Ware) is headed to the Hall of Fame. Marcus is worth the risk.

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I wanted Lamar Jackson or Derwin James. I’m fine with this though. Great pick.

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I don't see the issue with giving up a first rounder next season. As successful as I am expecting the Saints to be in 2019 that first rounder will be one pick prior to the first pick in the second round. Big deal.

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When I see people question the competition Davenport went against and how he is from a small-time program it makes me think of a guy like Armstead.

The other side of that coin is that he probably didn't get the highest level of coaching in a smaller program, and he can really blow up with the help of the Saints' coaching staff.

A big fish in a little pond can only grow so big and needs a larger lake to reach full potential.

I don't think they overpaid... I couldn't care less about the 5th rounder or the 32nd pick next year.

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Certainly no one said there were any players worth TWO first round draft grades

#WWSPD :bng:

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"No risk it no biscuit" - Bruce A.

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Good write up on Davenport here...

'What's Wrong with NFL Draft Prospect Marcus Davenport?' Is the Wrong Question | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

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first jersey was REGGIE BUSH?????

damn, these guys get younger every year.

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Moving up is expensive.

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The competition for Davenport is almost identical to DWare's & KMack's when they were drafted. MD's measurables compared to these 2:

MD 6'6" 264...DWare 6'4" 251...KMack 6'3" 251
40 Times---MD 4.58...DW 4.60...KM 4.65
Bench---MD 22...DW 27...KM 23
Vertical---MD 33.5"...DW 38.5...KM 40.0"
20 yd Shuttle---MD 4.41...DW 4.07...KM 4.18
Broad Jump---MD 124"...DW 122"...KM 128"
3 Cone---MD 7.2...DW 6.83...KM 7.08

Cam Jordan's measurables: 6'4" 287
40---4.78
Bench---25
Vertical---31.0"
20 yd Shuttle---4.37
Broad Jump---117.0"
3 Cone---7.07

Ware 8 sacks & 47 tackles rookie year
Mack 4 sacks & 59 tackles rookie year
Jordan 1 sack & 18 tackles rookie year

I wouldn't expect MD to tear up the league his rookie year. For the other guys mentioned, all had break-out years in their 2nd/3rd year. My guess is that it took them that long to adjust to NFL speed. MD will have the same. If he's motivated & has the right coaching, look out.

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Mikey....you've got that wrong buddy...we get older every year. C'mon man! Let go and accept it! We're old!

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One of my all time favorite quotes.

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Lamar is amazing; For college. NFL, where has his style ever worked out? Start running around among superior athletes and they are going to send a clear message just like they always do. It will not be tolerated.

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NFL.com synopsis of AK41's weaknesses last year: "WEAKNESSES Vision can be hit or miss. Not an instinctive runner. Needs to see running lane develop and is missing a feel for reading progressions of his blocks. Makes inconsistent decisions on stretch plays. Can be his own worst enemy on third level. Will run himself into a tackler rather than setting him up for a downfield blocker. Consistently cuts left when given an open-field choice against tackler. With knee injuries in his background, combine medicals could come into play. Needs to tuck ball high and tight to prevent fumbles."

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Giving up next years 1st round pick and this years 5th is expensive and I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.

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Had a similar sentiment last year after we jumped up and got Kamara :rolleyes:...

Saints basically got 4 1st round talents last year. I'd be ok if losing one for next year ... especially if it's #32 ;).

I'm in the camp that believes Marcus D turns into a terror like JPP but with all of the fingers.

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I think we hit a home run. From listening to Payton, the FO knows they hit a home run. TBH, right now people are saying that we gave up a lot to get him. I think in 2-3 years, people will be talking about the amazing value we got. I think we just committed robbery against the rest of the league. The only reason that people are questioning this pick is because he played at UTSA. The moment I saw this guy play, I fell in love with his speed, power, and talent. I think Chris Simms summed it up well yesterday. This guy is perhaps the safest pick in the draft. People keep talking about how he is raw and needs to have his skilled honed. I agree, he does. The guy is so big, strong, and fast though that he can make an impact as is, and hence can make an immediate impact. Some of these sports analysts become fixated on certain things and as a result don't see the full picture.

This guy on the opposite side of Cam is going to be absolutely sick.

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Only thing about the first round pic next year....If we need a quarterback or if a good one is available....we're up the creek.

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I think Brees still has some mileage. I didn't particularly like this QB class.

Heck if Manziel can prove himself in the CFL for like a year, I'd actually be all for giving him a shot. I know a lot of people would scoff at that , but the guy seems to have a much better energy about him now. I think Payton likes Manziel too. Payton seems to really think Hill can be the one too.

The point I'm trying to make is that we have a ton of options. We don't need to feel rushed into making a decision. If Brees goes down or starts playing ****ty, the season is going to probably be hard to salvage regardless of who we have drafted.

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I think thats how most feel dizz.

If he develops into a Demarcus Ware, worth every bit of the trade and then some...

If he doesn't at least reach a pro-bowl level over the next 3 or 4 years... ouch!

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On the plus side, I just realized this means we won’t be drafting Arden Key! :banana:

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When those two picks are #27 and #32? I'd say #14 would be a good value.

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Dead on, Major!

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Why do people keep saying the Saints gave up 2 1st. They only gave up one and switch the other 1st from 27th to 14th.

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This is correct.

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Exactly. Was going to ask the same question, makes no sense.

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Or, Packers devalued their 1st by about 50% and got a 1st. The real measuring stick will be Davenport value compared to those two Packer picks. We will know in about 5 years who won the hand.

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The reason some might say we gave up 2 first rd picks is cause they believe Davenport isn't considered to be a a 1 ST rd prospect. My judgement is undecided, his measurable add up to a 1st rounder but his overall play in college leave me undecided (much like Alvin Kamara and he turnout to be a steal). The problem is Davenport was picked by using two 1st rd picks plus a fourth rounder and if he play like a Courtney Brown this and next year draft will be considered a total failure.

In my opinion this was too much of a risk for a player with 1st round credentials instead of HOF or All Pro potential like Veta, Chubbs or Barkley. Obviously, Ireland see the potential so I am going to give him the benefit of doubt after picking Marcus over Obi and Marcus was hand down the better safety

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I don't even like saying that we "gave up a 1st round pick". All first round picks aren't equal. A big difference between 14 and 32.

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If you go strictly by the numbers of the Draft Value Chart we got fleeced. Even if we win the Super Bowl next year we will have given up 1302 points for a pick that's worth 1100 (and obviously the worse our season goes the bigger the differential gets). So on paper, yes we gave up way too much.

However, this team has a small window with Brees right now to win a Super Bowl. Somehow, I managed to miss every UT San Antonio game so I cannot comment on the kid other than what I've read and there is a wide variety of opinions. The ones that make me nervous are experts that refer to him as raw and a developmental project. But, this FO has earned my trust with the draft they had last year and if this guy can come in immediately and contribute than I'm willing to throw away the numbers and call this trade a success. The key word is "immediately." This is a trade you make for a player who helps you win now, so this kid cannot be a project for this trade to be good for us.

Looking forward to seeing how this kid fits in and hopefully gives us the pass rusher we've been looking for opposite Cam and helps us win another Super Bowl!

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Saints valued a very specific requirement much higher than anything else. It's seldom done and to be honest, kinda stinks. It won't stop stinking until the pass rush shows up with him being a solid factor.

It may not even happen this year. For some reason though they feel it will. They think they can forge this kid into gold right now. If they can't we have someone who knows how to sell the sizzle that's for sure.

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He is probably a upgrade over what we have now without time with our coaches. I look for Rag to step up this year and this might pull some chip blocks and doubles from Jordan. Two firsts is a awful lot but if we win the Super Bowl it is well worth it.

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I wanted Jackson but I'm with you on this. Brees might still be playing when Jacksons rookie contract is up.