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It’s always ****ing something when it comes to the Saints. Always.

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That's exactly what I have been saying. It makes no sense to bring in a veteran for maybe four games and have to pay them for the entire season. It has to be a rookie or someone already on the roster.

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This, of course, doesn't mean it is completely over. The original ruling and appeal of the ruling have been heard and they are waiting for the written statement of the decision. While Ingram's team cannot further appeal the ruling itself, they can appeal the suspension trying to get it thrown out (not likely) or reduced.

This is the "further option" mentioned in the press release from his new agent:

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Maybe we/they just need to bend over and take the 4-game suspension and get it over with. The 4 games will hurt, but I'd rather have that than another Starcaps.

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Well......dang!:argue:

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These guys Always appeal the suspension, they never win the appeal, and they are ALWAYS innocent. C'mon man, not fooling anyone. Just take your lumps, bc to me, the denial makes it worse.

Now I'm sure Guido will have an answer as to why I am wrong, and this is a different situation. So let's hear it, but I ain't buying it.

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Mark is paid millions of dollars to know what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do. Mark the shark is looking for a new contract while doing drugs.

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I thought this was his contract year. Yeah, not smart, Mark. Not smart.

#learnfromsnead!

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I wasn’t aware of this... our RB coach Joel Thomas held the same position at Arkansas while Jonathan Williams was there. That explains why we signed him. Joel Thomas knows he can contribute.

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How do you know he didn't take Sudafed. Sudafed is harmless and it's also banned by the NFL. Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know what he took.

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Tidbit ... I follow a ton of High School (Euless Trinity High school football). I was soooo glad to see the Jonathan kid graduate from Allen (Texas 6A State power house). He scored a lot in the playoffs & subsequent state titles... didn't follow him as much while at Arkansas though.

I hope he shows something at camp & good luck :bng:.

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It's clear you're going off partial information. Ingram's agent said they are not denying that he had the substance. They also said that it was not an illegal drug (verified by the league's statement that he tested positive under the PED clause and not the substance abuse clause) and that is was not performance enhancing. The PED list contains all substances that are not legal or alcohol related. They include several items that are permissible with a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).

My bet is that Ingram thought the TUE had been properly submitted by his agent (who should be the person responsible) and was then hit with the test that showed the medication he thought was pre-approved. That would explain why he fired his agent and pursued the appeal. Not because he has taken the medication, but because he thought it had been approved. No doubt he would lose that appeal, but it would explain everything to this point. Once the written decision is released they could appeal the length of the suspension itself, NOT the earlier ruling.

As for the success on appealing the suspension, it is rather common that they get reduced based upon circumstances. I think you are getting confused with the appeal of the test results which rarely get overturned.

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Have you read anything about this yet or just going off a headline or two? Of course he knows what he's allowed to do. The agent says they know the substance that triggered the positive test is on the banned list, but they are also saying it is included in the substances that are permissible. As I just stated, it appears that Ingram's prior agent screwed up and Ingram prbably thought he'd had permission. That would explain his firing his agent and appealing the test. If this is the way things went down Ingram could have grounds to sue his prior agent.

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Products such as hair growth and fertility treatments are also banned but can be exempted. Given the fact that he just fathered his third child the first could be the culprit. He might have been trying to get rid of that balding spot.

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Its still no excuse but I think that hopes are so high people are scared something could happen to mess the season up and this happens. I hope he wins.

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I know he's suspended

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That's what they all say

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No. I can't remember an instance where the player has said they thought they had pre-approved permission to take a medication that is listed among those permissible. Which others do you know of since you claim that is what they all say? Huh?

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He is absolutely suspended. For how long may still be a question. And what the cause of the failed test was is also relevant. As I mentioned before, using Rogaine to help grow back a bald spot isn't quite as severe as taking powerful horse steroids, yet both are banned substances. The first can be exempted, however. The second cannot.

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I can, like every case

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There is nothing to suggest that Ingram was purposely using PEDs to try to cheat. It could have easily been an accident. Airheaded yes, but tbh there are so many things on the list that it's incredibly easy to do. I've seen Ingram go out there and lay it all on the field week in, week out. This isn't the time to withdraw our support for the guy. All players have their issues. One thing I know for sure is that Mark bleeds black and gold. Being able to stick with these guys that give so much to the team even in their most trying moments is the hallmark of a strong and dedicated fan base. It is that sort of solidarity that wins championships.

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While I agree wholeheartedly, there are those that relish in the opportunity to pounce upon any possible negative event to spread their venom.

And we all know who you are.

:rolleyes:

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I wish Mrk was using his roids and coke on this play

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Ingram Interview if he wins the lottery

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Well said. Extend the man for 4 more years. He’ll be around 31. You’ll have to pay Kamara anyway do MI’s contract will expire around the same time.

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Simply ask yourselves this:

WWBBD ... What Would Bill Belichek Do?


I think we all know the answer! :popcorn:

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Kamara and Ingram both ran up the middle and caught passes. The only differ was Kamara was more reliable on deep pass plays and Ingram was more reliable in protection.

Now that Ingram is out 4 games Kamara will be more counted on protection and Scott will take on more of Kamara plays for relief. If everything works out and Scott turnout to be a doppelgänger of Sproles, Kamara shows he can be reliable protecting Brees, this might turnout to be a blessing in disguise

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I don't care if he took sudafed, cocain or steroids, it doesn't matter, he is suspended anyway. It is his job and personal responsibility to know what he puts in his body and if it is allowed or not.

I played 18 years and got tested 1-2 times every year (WADA rules), that made me have to be very aware of everything I ate. The only time that was even remotely an issue thou was regarding medicines or supplements. And if i could do it as an amateur I would expect him as a pro to be able to.

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That highlighted sentence is right at the crux of the matter. It sounds like he may have used some medication that he was sure was permissible. As I surmised before, if his agent was supposed to send in the TUE form giving him permission and didn't it would explain why Ingram fired him shortly after the results were relayed back to Ingram.

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It would depend upon the circumstances.

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as a fan base sure but this is also a business... and he just made himself trade bait.

We are without a first rounder next year... hmmm.

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The Saints need Ingram. Kamara needs Ingram. Ingram needs Kamara. BOTH were the reason the Saints were so successful last season. Losing Ingram is a big loss.

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Just listened to an interview with Zack Strief on NFL Radio with James Lofton and Bruce Murray. When asked about Ingram, Strief said that there isn't a better individual on the team than Mark Ingram and he is sure that Ingram would never do anything consciously that wasn't allowed. He was then asked about supplements and the 24 hour per day phone service that players can use to verify than a product they are considering in not included on the banned list. Strief said that the system is broken and does not work. He said one manufacturer could have 50 products they make. Thirty of them contain a component banned by the NFL. The other twenty are not supposed to have any of those components. He said the problem is that at times there can be cross pollution in processes that could introduce a tiny trace of a banned substance into a product that is supposed to be clean. The reason why this can get by is that the supplement business is not controlled by the FDA.

So, basically, a player can call the official number and ask if a product was okay to take and he would be told "yes". Then, if he came up with a trace of a banned substance from a tainted product he would be in violation of the PED policy. You can fight it "vigorously" as a player, but you are going to lose.

Very interesting. Perhaps Strief knows what actually happened. Or perhaps he was just answering the host's question.

:confused:

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If the team feels he was screwed by the system, as it is beginning to sound, then he is in no danger.

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Deuce M & Shanle (regarding Sudafed being banned) have had similar opinions over the years as it relates to the "system".

Unfortunate for MI.

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That is if that was what happened to Ingram. I still believe that the way the new agent mentioned that the violating substance fell under the "permissive use exemption" indicates it was not a tainted product. I also believe that the firing of his agent almost immediately after he would have been notified of a violation points toward his believing that he was taking a substance for a valid condition that had been OK'd by the league.

Still, unfortunate for Ingram.

His legal team has exhausted the appeals process through the league, but can still call for an outside arbiter to review the suspension. That's how Ray Rice got his suspension reduced and that is also how the Saints players wrongly accused of having a "bounty program" got all of their suspensions stricken.

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if you keep dipping sudafed in coke and roids does it make you pop?