2019 Saints NFL Free Agency

K Major · 02-27-2019, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://grades.profootballfocus.com/...itions/show/LB

Klein was graded comparably to Anthony Barr, Myles Jack; factor in for what we're paying, it's a no-brainer to keep him around...

Also a re-visit of how terrible the selection of Rick Leonard in the fourth round was last year and how we'll be paying for it...

FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation.

There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is.

As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired.

jeanpierre · 02-27-2019, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation.

There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is.

As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired.

There's a total body of work since 2006 that is very inconsistent. Some considered 2006 to be one of the best drafts ever - netting a Loomis an Executive of the Year Award...

But all 32 teams passed on Marques Colston for the better part of seven rounds, including Loomis - the real valued pick of that draft was Jahri Evans in the fourth; even 7th rd Strief took four seasons to develop...

Real problem I have is what we're seeing now - a great many deal of rookie contracts coming to maturation and we're not bringing affordable drafted talent to make the salary schedule manageable, flexible...

You just can't keep spending two-for-one on draft picks and stay competitive consistently - New England Patriots are the model for good cap management and willingness to draft players and trust them on the field...

Payton/Loomis continue stubbornly to avoid investing heavily (more picks) in the draft and rely too much on free agency and care-free spending of draft capital...

No, Payton and Loomis don't get a pass with me, nor should they with anyone, when it comes to bad personnel free agency choices and poor draft management handicapping this Brees-era from Championships...

Payton/Loomis brought in Ireland and they should let him do his job and their job should be to get out of the way and focus on their jobs - coaching, managing game plans and managing the salary caps.

In so far as PFF, I don't consider it an absolute, but a relative tool for evaluating discussing talent, but for what is spent on a Sam/Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right...

Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay - we're just not going to have elite talent at every position and I'll take Klein above average talent at a two-down linebacking spot for, say, an elite CB, DE...

K Major · 02-27-2019, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay. But for what is spent on a Sam and Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right...

Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ...

IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018

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FinSaint · 02-27-2019, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ...

IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018 .

I might give that award to a fellow linebacker instead... but I think Klein played really well at times, although he was also very inconsistent for most of the season.

I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters.

K Major · 02-28-2019, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters.

Completely agree.

It's working in Dallas.

02-27-2019, 08:39 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,801 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://grades.profootballfocus.com/...itions/show/LB Klein was graded comparably to Anthony Barr, Myles Jack; factor in for what we're paying, it's a no-brainer to keep him around... Also a re-visit of how terrible the selection of Rick Leonard in the fourth round was last year and how we'll be paying for it... FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation. There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is. As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired.

02-27-2019, 08:54 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation. There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is. As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired. There's a total body of work since 2006 that is very inconsistent. Some considered 2006 to be one of the best drafts ever - netting a Loomis an Executive of the Year Award... But all 32 teams passed on Marques Colston for the better part of seven rounds, including Loomis - the real valued pick of that draft was Jahri Evans in the fourth; even 7th rd Strief took four seasons to develop... Real problem I have is what we're seeing now - a great many deal of rookie contracts coming to maturation and we're not bringing affordable drafted talent to make the salary schedule manageable, flexible... You just can't keep spending two-for-one on draft picks and stay competitive consistently - New England Patriots are the model for good cap management and willingness to draft players and trust them on the field... Payton/Loomis continue stubbornly to avoid investing heavily (more picks) in the draft and rely too much on free agency and care-free spending of draft capital... No, Payton and Loomis don't get a pass with me, nor should they with anyone, when it comes to bad personnel free agency choices and poor draft management handicapping this Brees-era from Championships... Payton/Loomis brought in Ireland and they should let him do his job and their job should be to get out of the way and focus on their jobs - coaching, managing game plans and managing the salary caps. In so far as PFF, I don't consider it an absolute, but a relative tool for evaluating discussing talent, but for what is spent on a Sam/Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right... Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay - we're just not going to have elite talent at every position and I'll take Klein above average talent at a two-down linebacking spot for, say, an elite CB, DE... K Major likes this.
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02-27-2019, 09:00 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,801 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay. But for what is spent on a Sam and Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right... Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ... IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018 . CheramieIII, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

02-27-2019, 04:03 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ... IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018 . I might give that award to a fellow linebacker instead... but I think Klein played really well at times, although he was also very inconsistent for most of the season. I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters. K Major likes this.

02-28-2019, 07:44 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,801 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by FinSaint I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters. Completely agree. It's working in Dallas.

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