2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 11:36 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – PreSeason, Gm 4 New Orleans Saints vs Miami Dolphins

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019),

27 - Dwayne Washington, 32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019), 37 - Jacquizz Rodgers (FA 2019), 30 - Kerwynn Williams (FA 2019)

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line, 44 - Shane Smith (FA 2019), 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2019)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood, 15 - Simmie Cobbs, Jr., 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 83 - Cyril Grayson (UDFA 2019), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead, 77 - Marshall Newhouse (FA 2019), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 64 - Will Clapp

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 66 - Ryan Groy (FA 2019), 61 - Marcus Henry (FA 2019)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019), 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 70 - Michael Ola (FA 2019), 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 81 - A.J. Derby (FA 2019), 85 - Dan Arnold, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - Alizé Mack (R7P17, #231)

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 14 - Travin Dural (FA 2019)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 99 - Geneo Grissom (FA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 96 - Sylvester Williams (FA 2019), 76 - Ziggy Hood (FA 2019)

DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 74 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

98 - Sheldon Rankins (Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 50 - Wes Horton (FA 2019), 69 - Corbin Kaufusi (UDFA 2019)

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019), 51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019), 54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244), 44 - Darnell Sankey (RFC 2019), 40 - Will Compton (FA 2019)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 59 - Vince Biegel (ERFA 2019), 58 - Porter Gustin (UDFA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019), 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177), 38 - Terrell Williams, Jr. (FA 2019)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 48 - J.T. Gray, 36 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019), 39 - Kayvon Webster (FA 2019)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019)

Active Roster Count - Total: 90 (53); Offense: 45; Defense: 40; Kicking: 5

Reserve/Injured

37 - Javorius "Buck" Allen (FA 2019)

76 - Kenny Bigelow (UDFA 2019)

79 - Chris Clark (FA 2019)

30 - Matt Dayes (FA 2019)

65 - Ulrick John (FA 2019)

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)

Reserve/Did Not Report

57 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 07:15 PM

RB: 41 Alvin Kamara, 28 Latavius Murray, 27 Dwayne Washington, 32 Devine Ozigbo

I have to keep four RB’s. If makes me too nervous having any less.

WR: 13 Michael Thomas, 19 Ted Ginn Jr, 10 Tre’Quan Smith, 18 Keith Kirkwood, 17 Emmanuel Butler, 11 Deonte Harris

Not knowing the nature of Kirkwood’s injury, this is who I have making it right now. In this scenario, Butler would be inactive on game days while he develops. The team may very likely keep Austin Carr instead of Butler and try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad.

TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby

Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block.

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 07:36 PM

CB: 23 Marshon Lattimore, 25 Eli Apple, 39 Kayvon Webster, 34 Justin Hardee

Nickel CB: 26 PJ Williams, 22 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson

That’s right folks, no PRob. He’s had no first-team reps at nickel and he’s shown this preseason that he has no value on the outside. Here’s the issue though: we have to trade him. If we cut him it’s a $5.25 mil cap hit. Trading him will only carry a $1.25 mil cap hit with $4 mil in space opened up. He’s likely to only fetch a late-round pick but I think it’s a smart move.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

We don’t know the nature of Hampton’s injury so it could be Banjo in his place. Assuming Hampton is fine, I’m cutting Banjo because he’s been awful. I like what I’ve seen from JT Gray. He’s great on special teams and seeing him get reps with the 2’s last night made me think the coaches like him more than the fans.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 08:07 PM

Chris, per Over The Cap...

Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings...

Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot...

So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton...

And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Chris, per Over The Cap...

Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings...

Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot...

So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton...

And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton...

D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

Not necessarily, sometimes you get those wink-wink, nod-nod deals where you trade a guy for a cond'l pick if he makes the roster or starts 50% of the games deal with another friendly trade partner...

But I'd be really surprised we take a $1mil cap hit to cut a reserve/kick coverage player...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 08:28 PM

I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one.

jeanpierre · 08-26-2019, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one.

Right, huh?!? Have never a Saints Roster this deep. It's not perfect, but in the day and age of Free Agency/Salary Cap, some dumb luck with UDFA and the Draft, this roster is as solid as any contender...

jeanpierre · 08-26-2019, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Don't see any value in a trade. Especially when un drafted guys are playing better.

Tre' needs to get it together but my goodness, he doesn't look ready.

The only value would be to teams lower in the waivers process who need depth, or in some cases like the G'nats - need someone to play WR...

vpheughan · 08-26-2019, 06:58 AM

try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad.

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Just like they "snuck" Ryan Griffin? If he should make it he can be signed by another team then the Saints would then have to promote him to the active roster to retain him. See Boston Scott. Did anyone notice his "Bruising" one yard TD run in the Eagles first Preseason game?

08-25-2019, 11:36 AM	#371
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – PreSeason, Gm 4 New Orleans Saints vs Miami Dolphins OFFENSE QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, *28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington, 32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019), 37 - Jacquizz Rodgers (FA 2019), 30 - Kerwynn Williams (FA 2019)* FB (1) 42 - Zach Line, 44 - Shane Smith (FA 2019), 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2019) WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood, 15 - Simmie Cobbs, Jr., 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019) WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 83 - Cyril Grayson (UDFA 2019), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019) LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead, 77 - Marshall Newhouse (FA 2019), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 64 - Will Clapp C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 66 - Ryan Groy (FA 2019), 61 - Marcus Henry (FA 2019) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019), 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019) RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 70 - Michael Ola (FA 2019), 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019) TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 81 - A.J. Derby (FA 2019), 85 - Dan Arnold, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - Alizé Mack (R7P17, #231) WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 14 - Travin Dural (FA 2019) DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 99 - Geneo Grissom (FA 2019) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 96 - Sylvester Williams (FA 2019), 76 - Ziggy Hood (FA 2019) DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 74 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform) LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 50 - Wes Horton (FA 2019), 69 - Corbin Kaufusi (UDFA 2019) WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019), 51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019), 54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019) MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244), 44 - Darnell Sankey (RFC 2019), 40 - Will Compton (FA 2019) SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 59 - Vince Biegel (ERFA 2019), 58 - Porter Gustin (UDFA 2019) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019) NCB (2) *26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019), 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177), 38 - Terrell Williams, Jr. (FA 2019)* SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 48 - J.T. Gray, 36 - T. J. Green (FA 2019) LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019), 39 - Kayvon Webster (FA 2019) KICKING K (1) *3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)* P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) *49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)* RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019) Active Roster Count - Total: 90 (53); Offense: 45; Defense: 40; Kicking: 5 Reserve/Injured *37 - Javorius "Buck" Allen (FA 2019)* *76 - Kenny Bigelow (UDFA 2019)* *79 - Chris Clark (FA 2019)* *30 - Matt Dayes (FA 2019)* *65 - Ulrick John (FA 2019)* Reserve/Non-Football Injury 54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019) Reserve/Did Not Report 57 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019) KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2019) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019) Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP foreverfan likes this.
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08-25-2019, 07:15 PM	#372
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook RB: 41 Alvin Kamara, 28 Latavius Murray, 27 Dwayne Washington, 32 Devine Ozigbo I have to keep four RB’s. If makes me too nervous having any less. WR: 13 Michael Thomas, 19 Ted Ginn Jr, 10 Tre’Quan Smith, 18 Keith Kirkwood, 17 Emmanuel Butler, 11 Deonte Harris Not knowing the nature of Kirkwood’s injury, this is who I have making it right now. In this scenario, Butler would be inactive on game days while he develops. The team may very likely keep Austin Carr instead of Butler and try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad. TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block. foreverfan and jeanpierre like this.
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08-25-2019, 07:36 PM	#373
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook CB: 23 Marshon Lattimore, 25 Eli Apple, 39 Kayvon Webster, 34 Justin Hardee Nickel CB: 26 PJ Williams, 22 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson That’s right folks, no PRob. He’s had no first-team reps at nickel and he’s shown this preseason that he has no value on the outside. Here’s the issue though: we have to trade him. If we cut him it’s a $5.25 mil cap hit. Trading him will only carry a $1.25 mil cap hit with $4 mil in space opened up. He’s likely to only fetch a late-round pick but I think it’s a smart move. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray We don’t know the nature of Hampton’s injury so it could be Banjo in his place. Assuming Hampton is fine, I’m cutting Banjo because he’s been awful. I like what I’ve seen from JT Gray. He’s great on special teams and seeing him get reps with the 2’s last night made me think the coaches like him more than the fans. jeanpierre likes this.
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08-25-2019, 08:07 PM	#374
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Chris, per Over The Cap... Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings... Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot... So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton... And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton... ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.

08-25-2019, 08:21 PM	#375
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Chris, per Over The Cap... Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings... Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot... So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton... And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton... D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray jeanpierre likes this.

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08-25-2019, 08:23 PM	#376
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray Not necessarily, sometimes you get those wink-wink, nod-nod deals where you trade a guy for a cond'l pick if he makes the roster or starts 50% of the games deal with another friendly trade partner... But I'd be really surprised we take a $1mil cap hit to cut a reserve/kick coverage player... ChrisXVI likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one. jeanpierre likes this.

08-26-2019, 04:43 AM	#378
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one. Right, huh?!? Have never a Saints Roster this deep. It's not perfect, but in the day and age of Free Agency/Salary Cap, some dumb luck with UDFA and the Draft, this roster is as solid as any contender... ChrisXVI likes this.

08-26-2019, 06:48 AM	#379
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Don't see any value in a trade. Especially when un drafted guys are playing better. Tre' needs to get it together but my goodness, he doesn't look ready. The only value would be to teams lower in the waivers process who need depth, or in some cases like the G'nats - need someone to play WR...

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