Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame

CHA_CHING · 06-07-2019, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Grew up on Bayous Lafourche and Terrebonne and my family wasn't big Hebert fans of those wounded ducks; plus, he rivaled Diliberto in butchering the English language, but Hebert wasn't the problem - Mora was...

Mora didn't trust his players, his staff, often pulled most pass plays out of the play scripte, making the offense predictable; Hebert clarified this when he had Carl Smith on his show and callers were looking to vent...

Following weeks after that show other players on those teams corroborated Hebert's take on that time; Carl Smith was still the loyal soldier even though Mora has let him take the brunt of criticism for the offense...

Ron Swoboda famously criticized Mora for his overt conservatism; Mora became so agitated, he called in on another show and questioned Buford Jordan's manhood, Live - Jim Mora was his own worst enemy...

Thanks for this reply JP, some great stuff.

You are definitely right that Mora never trusted anyone. His conservatism drove us crazy as fans. We were in a division with the 49ers, Falcons and Rams at the time. The Falcons were gutsy with Glanville's Run-N-Shoot offense and the 49ers were always an elite offense that didn't rely on conservative play calling. The Rams gave us fits too with Jim Everett (and then Everett got to beat them when he joined us. Those were fun days with our Rams rivalry)

Some friends of mine often argue that Mora's type of offense was undone after Dalton Hilliard blew his knee out. It seemed Mora wanted a run-heavy offense that controlled the clock and relied on the defense to close games out. Hilliard was an elite RB up until that point and he was never the same again. He still came back and gave us great highlight reel plays with special teams, but he couldn't put up those big rushing numbers anymore. Mora also flamed out on Vaughan Dunbar.

Not a fan of Hebert at all, but I'll give a tip of the hat to his 1991 MNF performance against the Raiders. I was at that game and still remember it. That was probably the best game of his career IMO. His play action fakes were amazing that night. We went into that game in a slump and the Raiders were kings of MNF at the time and we just wiped the floor with them that night.

jeanpierre · 06-07-2019, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

Thanks for this reply JP, some great stuff.

You are definitely right that Mora never trusted anyone. His conservatism drove us crazy as fans. We were in a division with the 49ers, Falcons and Rams at the time. The Falcons were gutsy with Glanville's Run-N-Shoot offense and the 49ers were always an elite offense that didn't rely on conservative play calling. The Rams gave us fits too with Jim Everett (and then Everett got to beat them when he joined us. Those were fun days with our Rams rivalry)

Some friends of mine often argue that Mora's type of offense was undone after Dalton Hilliard blew his knee out. It seemed Mora wanted a run-heavy offense that controlled the clock and relied on the defense to close games out. Hilliard was an elite RB up until that point and he was never the same again. He still came back and gave us great highlight reel plays with special teams, but he couldn't put up those big rushing numbers anymore. Mora also flamed out on Vaughan Dunbar.

Not a fan of Hebert at all, but I'll give a tip of the hat to his 1991 MNF performance against the Raiders. I was at that game and still remember it. That was probably the best game of his career IMO. His play action fakes were amazing that night. We went into that game in a slump and the Raiders were kings of MNF at the time and we just wiped the floor with them that night.

Believe the mantra of the Mora teams was that they played not to lose, not to beat themselves - Mora didn't play to win and that was exposed, contrasted in marquee match-ups, playoff games...

Don't get me wrong, Mora was immensely popular early on; in fact, there was legitimate conversations of having him run for governor after the early success...

The late Mr. Jim Finks and Coach Mora's hard-nosed style turned this franchise around from the embarrassment that it was - and that contribution was necessary for this franchise to be where it it today...

Regrettably though, Coach Mora refused to trust, evolve and it cost him long-term friendships, success for not only this franchise, but for him personally...

CHA_CHING · 06-08-2019, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Believe the mantra of the Mora teams was that they played not to lose, not to beat themselves - Mora didn't play to win and that was exposed, contrasted in marquee match-ups, playoff games...

This is the best description I have ever heard of Mora. You hit the nail on the head perfectly. Wish I could give a dozen likes for this one.

They played not to lose, not to beat themselves but would get easily exposed due to their weaknesses.

You just made me think of all the gut wrenching losses from the Mora era. Not just the playoff losses, but the close losses that left you devastated back in the day. The 49ers used to always edge us out in those close tight games. I hated the Niners so much cause it felt like no matter what we did, no matter how tightly we played them, they would still edge right by us for the win.

I believe from 1989 up through 1992, we had some streak with the 49ers where almost every game was decided by 6 points or less. Those were the losses that made me want to scream my head off. I have tape of some of these games and they are so hard to watch. Mora gets out-coached in most of them by Siefart who keeps his foot on the gas pedal and still trying to outgun them down the field and run the clock. The Niners spent most of those games running Nickel defenses cause it seemed like they knew our offense wasn't going to pose much of a threat and the game hinged on our defense doing everything to try and win the game. We even shut down Young and company in a number of those games, only to barely lose.

jnormand · 06-07-2019, 11:30 AM

I have no prob with Hebert being in the Saints HOF. Good hell, if Brooks is, Hebert should be.

As far as Reggie is concerned, I don't have a problem with that either. Bush brought a confidence and swagger to the field before and during games that I hadn't seen in a while on the offense.

He was a threat as a reciever almost more than a RB. And he was a threat on punt returns early in his career.

Those are good memories.

jeanpierre · 06-07-2019, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I have no prob with Hebert being in the Saints HOF. Good hell, if Brooks is, Hebert should be.

As far as Reggie is concerned, I don't have a problem with that either. Bush brought a confidence and swagger to the field before and during games that I hadn't seen in a while on the offense.

He was a threat as a reciever almost more than a RB. And he was a threat on punt returns early in his career.

Those are good memories.

And that's where I feel we failed to utilize him properly...

In bantam football, we used a slot back, and that's where Bush should have started in formations - out in space, then he draws two, even three defenders to contain him, hence mismatches elsewhere...

K Major · 06-07-2019, 12:01 PM

^^ Terrific insight JP ^^

vpheughan · 06-07-2019, 01:50 PM

Jake Delhomme

jeanpierre · 06-07-2019, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Jake Delhomme

Breaux Bridge's Finest. That's out West, St. Martin Parish, part of Lafayette greater area; he went to private school in Lafayette, then Southwestern LA (Now ULL); started as a true freshman at Southwestern...

And we let Delhomme geaux because we didn't want a QB controversy...

K Major · 06-07-2019, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Breaux Bridge's Finest. That's out West, St. Martin Parish, part of Lafayette greater area; he went to private school in Lafayette, then Southwestern LA (Now ULL); started as a true freshman at Southwestern...

The college name brought back nostalgia.

For me, this fine institution will always be called "USL" in my mind

. Same goes for NLU aka ULM up in Monroe.

jeanpierre · 06-07-2019, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The college name brought back nostalgia.

For me, this fine institution will always be called "USL" in my mind . Same goes for NLU aka ULM up in Monroe.

Yeah, the re-branding was a covert attempt to pull all the universities under one LSU umbrella, eliminate intra-state competition...

06-07-2019, 06:28 PM	#1
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by jeanpierre Grew up on Bayous Lafourche and Terrebonne and my family wasn't big Hebert fans of those wounded ducks; plus, he rivaled Diliberto in butchering the English language, but Hebert wasn't the problem - Mora was... Mora didn't trust his players, his staff, often pulled most pass plays out of the play scripte, making the offense predictable; Hebert clarified this when he had Carl Smith on his show and callers were looking to vent... Following weeks after that show other players on those teams corroborated Hebert's take on that time; Carl Smith was still the loyal soldier even though Mora has let him take the brunt of criticism for the offense... Ron Swoboda famously criticized Mora for his overt conservatism; Mora became so agitated, he called in on another show and questioned Buford Jordan's manhood, Live - Jim Mora was his own worst enemy... Thanks for this reply JP, some great stuff. You are definitely right that Mora never trusted anyone. His conservatism drove us crazy as fans. We were in a division with the 49ers, Falcons and Rams at the time. The Falcons were gutsy with Glanville's Run-N-Shoot offense and the 49ers were always an elite offense that didn't rely on conservative play calling. The Rams gave us fits too with Jim Everett (and then Everett got to beat them when he joined us. Those were fun days with our Rams rivalry) Some friends of mine often argue that Mora's type of offense was undone after Dalton Hilliard blew his knee out. It seemed Mora wanted a run-heavy offense that controlled the clock and relied on the defense to close games out. Hilliard was an elite RB up until that point and he was never the same again. He still came back and gave us great highlight reel plays with special teams, but he couldn't put up those big rushing numbers anymore. Mora also flamed out on Vaughan Dunbar. Not a fan of Hebert at all, but I'll give a tip of the hat to his 1991 MNF performance against the Raiders. I was at that game and still remember it. That was probably the best game of his career IMO. His play action fakes were amazing that night. We went into that game in a slump and the Raiders were kings of MNF at the time and we just wiped the floor with them that night. jeanpierre likes this.

06-07-2019, 08:15 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by CHA_CHING Thanks for this reply JP, some great stuff. You are definitely right that Mora never trusted anyone. His conservatism drove us crazy as fans. We were in a division with the 49ers, Falcons and Rams at the time. The Falcons were gutsy with Glanville's Run-N-Shoot offense and the 49ers were always an elite offense that didn't rely on conservative play calling. The Rams gave us fits too with Jim Everett (and then Everett got to beat them when he joined us. Those were fun days with our Rams rivalry) Some friends of mine often argue that Mora's type of offense was undone after Dalton Hilliard blew his knee out. It seemed Mora wanted a run-heavy offense that controlled the clock and relied on the defense to close games out. Hilliard was an elite RB up until that point and he was never the same again. He still came back and gave us great highlight reel plays with special teams, but he couldn't put up those big rushing numbers anymore. Mora also flamed out on Vaughan Dunbar. Not a fan of Hebert at all, but I'll give a tip of the hat to his 1991 MNF performance against the Raiders. I was at that game and still remember it. That was probably the best game of his career IMO. His play action fakes were amazing that night. We went into that game in a slump and the Raiders were kings of MNF at the time and we just wiped the floor with them that night. Believe the mantra of the Mora teams was that they played not to lose, not to beat themselves - Mora didn't play to win and that was exposed, contrasted in marquee match-ups, playoff games... Don't get me wrong, Mora was immensely popular early on; in fact, there was legitimate conversations of having him run for governor after the early success... The late Mr. Jim Finks and Coach Mora's hard-nosed style turned this franchise around from the embarrassment that it was - and that contribution was necessary for this franchise to be where it it today... Regrettably though, Coach Mora refused to trust, evolve and it cost him long-term friendships, success for not only this franchise, but for him personally... CHA_CHING likes this.
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06-08-2019, 07:20 PM	#3
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Believe the mantra of the Mora teams was that they played not to lose, not to beat themselves* - Mora didn't play to win and that was exposed, contrasted in marquee match-ups, playoff games...** This is the best description I have ever heard of Mora. You hit the nail on the head perfectly. Wish I could give a dozen likes for this one. They played not to lose, not to beat themselves but would get easily exposed due to their weaknesses. You just made me think of all the gut wrenching losses from the Mora era. Not just the playoff losses, but the close losses that left you devastated back in the day. The 49ers used to always edge us out in those close tight games. I hated the Niners so much cause it felt like no matter what we did, no matter how tightly we played them, they would still edge right by us for the win. I believe from 1989 up through 1992, we had some streak with the 49ers where almost every game was decided by 6 points or less. Those were the losses that made me want to scream my head off. I have tape of some of these games and they are so hard to watch. Mora gets out-coached in most of them by Siefart who keeps his foot on the gas pedal and still trying to outgun them down the field and run the clock. The Niners spent most of those games running Nickel defenses cause it seemed like they knew our offense wasn't going to pose much of a threat and the game hinged on our defense doing everything to try and win the game. We even shut down Young and company in a number of those games, only to barely lose.

06-07-2019, 11:30 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,769	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame I have no prob with Hebert being in the Saints HOF. Good hell, if Brooks is, Hebert should be. As far as Reggie is concerned, I don't have a problem with that either. Bush brought a confidence and swagger to the field before and during games that I hadn't seen in a while on the offense. He was a threat as a reciever almost more than a RB. And he was a threat on punt returns early in his career. Those are good memories. jeanpierre, K Major and SaintGnome like this.

06-07-2019, 08:08 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by jnormand I have no prob with Hebert being in the Saints HOF. Good hell, if Brooks is, Hebert should be. As far as Reggie is concerned, I don't have a problem with that either. Bush brought a confidence and swagger to the field before and during games that I hadn't seen in a while on the offense. He was a threat as a reciever almost more than a RB. And he was a threat on punt returns early in his career. Those are good memories. And that's where I feel we failed to utilize him properly... In bantam football, we used a slot back, and that's where Bush should have started in formations - out in space, then he draws two, even three defenders to contain him, hence mismatches elsewhere...

06-07-2019, 12:01 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame ^^ Terrific insight JP ^^ jeanpierre likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by vpheughan Jake Delhomme Breaux Bridge's Finest. That's out West, St. Martin Parish, part of Lafayette greater area; he went to private school in Lafayette, then Southwestern LA (Now ULL); started as a true freshman at Southwestern... And we let Delhomme geaux because we didn't want a QB controversy...

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by jeanpierre Breaux Bridge's Finest. That's out West, St. Martin Parish, part of Lafayette greater area; he went to private school in Lafayette, then Southwestern LA (Now ULL); started as a true freshman at Southwestern... The college name brought back nostalgia. For me, this fine institution will always be called "USL" in my mind . Same goes for NLU aka ULM up in Monroe. jeanpierre likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Reggie Bush, Marques Colston to enter Saints’ Hall of Fame Originally Posted by K Major The college name brought back nostalgia. For me, this fine institution will always be called "USL" in my mind . Same goes for NLU aka ULM up in Monroe. Yeah, the re-branding was a covert attempt to pull all the universities under one LSU umbrella, eliminate intra-state competition...

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