And so it begins...

Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Once again, could you supply us all with the source of the chart that you posted? I see it was made using google charts.

I'm done. If you think he's going to tear it up just like Meredith was suppose to do go for it. I live in reality. The odds of that happening are about as close to zero as possible. It doesn't matter what data I present either because you know you'll never accept it so what are we talking about. His rushing numbers have been dropping for 3 years and he was not the starter until injuries hit. If he was not the starter then what does that tell you. Obviously nothing.

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2019, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I'm done. If you think he's going to tear it up just like Meredith was suppose to do go for it. I live in reality. The odds of that happening are about as close to zero as possible. It doesn't matter what data I present either because you know you'll never accept it so what are we talking about. His rushing numbers have been dropping for 3 years and he was not the starter until injuries hit. If he was not the starter then what does that tell you. Obviously nothing.

Like I thought. You can't give me the source of your production chart. So, if you are SO confident of your research that you are positive he will not be as productive as Ozigbo then pony up the bet.

$20 says Murray has more carries the last eight games than Ozigbo. I'm sure your data wouldn't lie to you, right?

Edit: And I would love to see that data that you presented. All you showed was a Google generated chart.

Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Like I thought. You can't give me the source of your production chart. So, if you are SO confident of your research that you are positive he will not be as productive as Ozigbo then pony up the bet.

$20 says Murray has more carries the last eight games than Ozigbo. I'm sure your data wouldn't lie to you, right?

Edit: And I would love to see that data that you presented. All you showed was a Google generated chart.

Let me get this straight. You already lost money on Meredith but want to roll the dice again. Ok. I'll bet you $20 Murray does not make it 8 games period. Best I can do. He will not play in more than 8 games in the regular season.

If he does I'll be glad to pay it. I actually want to see a 30 year old RB beat the odds. It's a great story.

Utah_Saint · 08-13-2019, 08:16 PM

I'm cool with Murray. It's like a used car. We got a 5 year old model with no major repair history, for a great price.

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2019, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Let me get this straight. You already lost money on Meredith but want to roll the dice again. Ok. I'll bet you $20 Murray does not make it 8 games period. Best I can do. He will not play in more than 8 games in the regular season.

If he does I'll be glad to pay it. I actually want to see a 30 year old RB beat the odds. It's a great story.

You have that bet.

Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You have that bet.

What can I say, I have a big heart. Giving you a chance to earn your Meredith money back. Nobody else is doing that.

The Dude · 08-13-2019, 10:58 PM

I don’t have anything against Murray, but a RB his age whose hurt the first week of camp doesn’t give me a ton of confidence given how important his role is supposed to be. I have a feeling we are going to miss Ingram’s play and locker room presence.

Maybe we have enough weapons at other skill positions to exploit defenses in a different way but there are still several unknowns at skill positions. It would be nice to have a back that can assume Ingram’s role if Butler, Washington, Humphrey, etc don’t pan out. At least we would have a tried and true attack.

Either way I feel like our offense is going to look very different than last year. Game tape from last year isn’t going to help defenses as much.

Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 11:38 PM

Only way it works if we have a 3 RB attack and preserve him as much as possible. If he's getting 40 plus % of the RB touches I don't see it working out. Especially if we get into the playoffs. That is a long, long journey. He will be 30 yrs old if that happens. I recall going from 27 to 30 very clearly being in the military. I lost endurance, my joints felt different even though I was pushing myself physically harder. Some days I could pull it off. Some days I could not. At 27 no problem.

The Dude · 08-14-2019, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Only way it works if we have a 3 RB attack and preserve him as much as possible. If he's getting 40 plus % of the RB touches I don't see it working out. Especially if we get into the playoffs. That is a long, long journey. He will be 30 yrs old if that happens. I recall going from 27 to 30 very clearly being in the military. I lost endurance, my joints felt different even though I was pushing myself physically harder. Some days I could pull it off. Some days I could not. At 27 no problem.

Same can be said for Brees. I’m convinced the blame for the “drop off” we saw Was more a result of protection than age. Also believe he may have tweaked something.

It’s a year later now and I believe we will see a slight drop off. Payton can make it less of an issue if he would start pulling Brees when we are 3 TDs up with 4 minutes to go.

There is no reason Brees needs to be out there getting live action reps and risk injury. This will really help in the playoffs when he doesn’t have the same pass protection because Armstead is out.

rezburna · 08-14-2019, 08:51 AM

I’d keep my eye on Jeremy Hill. He’s 26-years old and still a free agent because he’s coming off an ACL tear. I wouldn’t worry about his recovery as much because he’s a power back and not a lateral movement guy. Whenever he’s cleared I’d bring him in.

08-13-2019, 05:05 PM	#311
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Once again, could you supply us all with the source of the chart that you posted? I see it was made using google charts. I'm done. If you think he's going to tear it up just like Meredith was suppose to do go for it. I live in reality. The odds of that happening are about as close to zero as possible. It doesn't matter what data I present either because you know you'll never accept it so what are we talking about. His rushing numbers have been dropping for 3 years and he was not the starter until injuries hit. If he was not the starter then what does that tell you. Obviously nothing.
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08-13-2019, 05:11 PM	#312
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode I'm done. If you think he's going to tear it up just like Meredith was suppose to do go for it. I live in reality. The odds of that happening are about as close to zero as possible. It doesn't matter what data I present either because you know you'll never accept it so what are we talking about. His rushing numbers have been dropping for 3 years and he was not the starter until injuries hit. If he was not the starter then what does that tell you. Obviously nothing. Like I thought. You can't give me the source of your production chart. So, if you are SO confident of your research that you are positive he will not be as productive as Ozigbo then pony up the bet. $20 says Murray has more carries the last eight games than Ozigbo. I'm sure your data wouldn't lie to you, right? Edit: And I would love to see that data that you presented. All you showed was a Google generated chart.

08-13-2019, 08:09 PM	#313
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Like I thought. You can't give me the source of your production chart. So, if you are SO confident of your research that you are positive he will not be as productive as Ozigbo then pony up the bet. $20 says Murray has more carries the last eight games than Ozigbo. I'm sure your data wouldn't lie to you, right? Edit: And I would love to see that data that you presented. All you showed was a Google generated chart. Let me get this straight. You already lost money on Meredith but want to roll the dice again. Ok. I'll bet you $20 Murray does not make it 8 games period. Best I can do. He will not play in more than 8 games in the regular season. If he does I'll be glad to pay it. I actually want to see a 30 year old RB beat the odds. It's a great story.
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: And so it begins... I'm cool with Murray. It's like a used car. We got a 5 year old model with no major repair history, for a great price. K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode Let me get this straight. You already lost money on Meredith but want to roll the dice again. Ok. I'll bet you $20 Murray does not make it 8 games period. Best I can do. He will not play in more than 8 games in the regular season. If he does I'll be glad to pay it. I actually want to see a 30 year old RB beat the odds. It's a great story. You have that bet.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You have that bet. What can I say, I have a big heart. Giving you a chance to earn your Meredith money back. Nobody else is doing that.
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08-13-2019, 11:38 PM	#318
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: And so it begins... Only way it works if we have a 3 RB attack and preserve him as much as possible. If he's getting 40 plus % of the RB touches I don't see it working out. Especially if we get into the playoffs. That is a long, long journey. He will be 30 yrs old if that happens. I recall going from 27 to 30 very clearly being in the military. I lost endurance, my joints felt different even though I was pushing myself physically harder. Some days I could pull it off. Some days I could not. At 27 no problem.
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08-14-2019, 12:20 AM	#319
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode Only way it works if we have a 3 RB attack and preserve him as much as possible. If he's getting 40 plus % of the RB touches I don't see it working out. Especially if we get into the playoffs. That is a long, long journey. He will be 30 yrs old if that happens. I recall going from 27 to 30 very clearly being in the military. I lost endurance, my joints felt different even though I was pushing myself physically harder. Some days I could pull it off. Some days I could not. At 27 no problem. Same can be said for Brees. I’m convinced the blame for the “drop off” we saw Was more a result of protection than age. Also believe he may have tweaked something. It’s a year later now and I believe we will see a slight drop off. Payton can make it less of an issue if he would start pulling Brees when we are 3 TDs up with 4 minutes to go. There is no reason Brees needs to be out there getting live action reps and risk injury. This will really help in the playoffs when he doesn’t have the same pass protection because Armstead is out. jnormand and Beastmode like this.
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