Antonio Brown...should we?

st thomas · 09-07-2019, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I actually disagree with that. Loomis tries hard to remain neutral and let the locker room dynamics do their own thing. Mayock inserted himself into an issue that seemed like was already solved. Brown was was ready to play with a new helmet. Gruden was fine with him. Mayock is a douchebag. I don't like Brown, but this isn't entirely his fault imo. If the coach wanted the guy gone, then he should be gone. This was more about Mayock wanting to validate his authority or some ****.

I hear ya but Brown is a pre Madonna -dough bag but is good and he won’t be in my locker room ever ever ever.

hitta · 09-07-2019, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

I hear ya but Brown is a pre Madonna -dough bag but is good and he won’t be in my locker room ever ever ever.

Yea, I mean there is no disputing that. My issue is for weeks now, you've had all the coaches and the organizations talk about how much they supported him over the helmet issue. Then suddenly, a week before the season, you fine him to the point where it voids his guaranteed money. It really just feels like Mayock wanted to display his authority. It feels like mixed messages, and Mayock should have let Gruden decide how to handle it. Not have some sort of weird dick measuring contest. Brown was ready to play, chose a new helmet and everything. Something just feels very wrong with how this was handled. You either tell him to get his ass on the field a few weeks back and say that you were upset with how Brown was handling things, or you let it go. The whole thing is a giant bag of mixed signals . This is not how you run a front office. Loomis would never do this kind of ****.

subguy · 09-08-2019, 06:47 AM

The coaches have to manage the team and obviously the GM has some say. If I have an employee that caused that kind of disruption...good riddance. Mayock has the authority. There were no mixed signals, Brown wanted to control the team...a double good riddance. It is not a case of "the man" doing anything but trying to control the team, which is his job. NE did what NE does. If the disruption continues there, we will see what happens, that will be interesting.

K Major · 09-07-2019, 11:51 AM

Man hell naw.

This team has no time to be playing games with a malcontent.

It's too hard trying to win games without distractions as it is.

hitta · 09-07-2019, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Man hell naw.

This team has no time to be playing games with a malcontent.

It's too hard trying to win games without distractions as it is.

They were already playing games though when they said they were completely behind him throughout a big portion of the offseason. You can't just suddenly change your stance. I think Brown was being a baby over the helmet. The Raiders chose to let him be a baby. You don't just suddenly grow a spine.

vpheughan · 09-07-2019, 12:04 PM

Imagine that? Consequences for your actions? Doesn't Mayock realize he's dealing with an NFL PLAYER. Every other player on the team should just take a day off when they want to. That's how you build a "TEAM"

hitta · 09-07-2019, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Imagine that? Consequences for your actions? Doesn't Mayock realize he's dealing with an NFL PLAYER. Every other player on the team should just take a day off when they want to. That's how you build a "TEAM"

There should be consequences for what he did. They should have threatened fines weeks ago, unless he was injured. This may have even gotten AB on the field a lot earlier. Instead they balked at this. Then a week before the game Mayock tried to reassert authority. This is not his job, this is Gruden's job. Hell, this literally happened on the practice field, during practice. If Gruden was fine with whatever was occurring, Mayock should have stayed out of it. He's not the coach. I can almost guarantee you Gruden had a plan for how to treat Brown. What do you think would happen if Loomis came onto the practice field and started policing players behaviors during practice. Payton would be pissed. The practice field is not the GMs domain.

TheOak · 09-07-2019, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

There should be consequences for what he did. They should have threatened fines weeks ago, unless he was injured. This may have even gotten AB on the field a lot earlier. Instead they balked at this. Then a week before the game Mayock tried to reassert authority. This is not his job, this is Gruden's job. Hell, this literally happened on the practice field, during practice. If Gruden was fine with whatever was occurring, Mayock should have stayed out of it. He's not the coach. I can almost guarantee you Gruden had a plan for how to treat Brown. What do you think would happen if Loomis came onto the practice field and started policing players behaviors during practice. Payton would be pissed. The practice field is not the GMs domain.

These things are so difficult to understand much less sort out. The only thing we truly know is that we have been told things by the media or people in front of microphones. The surface on all sides is a facade.

If you and I have a beef with our employer its us, a manager, maybe HR... A beef with your employer in the NFL is a player, agent, NFLPA, Owner, GM, coach, the League... Some things are said in public, some things are said because the person is in public, and some things are behind closed doors.

To pick a side in this is really a fools errand, no?

All we really know is that a player found himself sideways with the league over a helmet and that's not a smart move. Just a soon not deal with someone that wins that sort of stupid prize.

neugey · 09-07-2019, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you and I have a beef with our employer its us, a manager, maybe HR... A beef with your employer in the NFL is a player, agent, NFLPA, Owner, GM, coach, the League... Some things are said in public, some things are said because the person is in public, and some things are behind closed doors.

Thing is, Brown keeps incriminating himself with his output on social media. He's leaving an electronic trail of his own ridiculousness. Makes it awful easy for me to pick a side.

TheOak · 09-07-2019, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Thing is, Brown keeps incriminating himself with his output on social media. He's leaving an electronic trail of his own ridiculousness. Makes it awful easy for me to pick a side.

Making a decision on someone’s actions if slightly different than picking a side in a he said/she said.

I don’t have to think someone is right or wrong to know they are an a$$.

09-07-2019, 11:47 AM	#1
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by hitta I actually disagree with that. Loomis tries hard to remain neutral and let the locker room dynamics do their own thing. Mayock inserted himself into an issue that seemed like was already solved. Brown was was ready to play with a new helmet. Gruden was fine with him. Mayock is a douchebag. I don't like Brown, but this isn't entirely his fault imo. If the coach wanted the guy gone, then he should be gone. This was more about Mayock wanting to validate his authority or some ****. I hear ya but Brown is a pre Madonna -dough bag but is good and he won’t be in my locker room ever ever ever. jnormand likes this.

09-07-2019, 11:53 AM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by st thomas I hear ya but Brown is a pre Madonna -dough bag but is good and he won’t be in my locker room ever ever ever. Yea, I mean there is no disputing that. My issue is for weeks now, you've had all the coaches and the organizations talk about how much they supported him over the helmet issue. Then suddenly, a week before the season, you fine him to the point where it voids his guaranteed money. It really just feels like Mayock wanted to display his authority. It feels like mixed messages, and Mayock should have let Gruden decide how to handle it. Not have some sort of weird dick measuring contest. Brown was ready to play, chose a new helmet and everything. Something just feels very wrong with how this was handled. You either tell him to get his ass on the field a few weeks back and say that you were upset with how Brown was handling things, or you let it go. The whole thing is a giant bag of mixed signals . This is not how you run a front office. Loomis would never do this kind of ****. rezburna likes this.
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09-08-2019, 06:47 AM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? The coaches have to manage the team and obviously the GM has some say. If I have an employee that caused that kind of disruption...good riddance. Mayock has the authority. There were no mixed signals, Brown wanted to control the team...a double good riddance. It is not a case of "the man" doing anything but trying to control the team, which is his job. NE did what NE does. If the disruption continues there, we will see what happens, that will be interesting.

09-07-2019, 11:51 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Man hell naw. This team has no time to be playing games with a malcontent. It's too hard trying to win games without distractions as it is. jnormand and RailBoss like this.

09-07-2019, 11:55 AM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by K Major Man hell naw. This team has no time to be playing games with a malcontent. It's too hard trying to win games without distractions as it is. They were already playing games though when they said they were completely behind him throughout a big portion of the offseason. You can't just suddenly change your stance. I think Brown was being a baby over the helmet. The Raiders chose to let him be a baby. You don't just suddenly grow a spine. RailBoss likes this.
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09-07-2019, 12:04 PM	#6
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,555	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Imagine that? Consequences for your actions? Doesn't Mayock realize he's dealing with an NFL PLAYER. Every other player on the team should just take a day off when they want to. That's how you build a "TEAM" subguy likes this.
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09-07-2019, 12:13 PM	#7
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by vpheughan Imagine that? Consequences for your actions? Doesn't Mayock realize he's dealing with an NFL PLAYER. Every other player on the team should just take a day off when they want to. That's how you build a "TEAM" There should be consequences for what he did. They should have threatened fines weeks ago, unless he was injured. This may have even gotten AB on the field a lot earlier. Instead they balked at this. Then a week before the game Mayock tried to reassert authority. This is not his job, this is Gruden's job. Hell, this literally happened on the practice field, during practice. If Gruden was fine with whatever was occurring, Mayock should have stayed out of it. He's not the coach. I can almost guarantee you Gruden had a plan for how to treat Brown. What do you think would happen if Loomis came onto the practice field and started policing players behaviors during practice. Payton would be pissed. The practice field is not the GMs domain.
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09-07-2019, 12:55 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by hitta There should be consequences for what he did. They should have threatened fines weeks ago, unless he was injured. This may have even gotten AB on the field a lot earlier. Instead they balked at this. Then a week before the game Mayock tried to reassert authority. This is not his job, this is Gruden's job. Hell, this literally happened on the practice field, during practice. If Gruden was fine with whatever was occurring, Mayock should have stayed out of it. He's not the coach. I can almost guarantee you Gruden had a plan for how to treat Brown. What do you think would happen if Loomis came onto the practice field and started policing players behaviors during practice. Payton would be pissed. The practice field is not the GMs domain. These things are so difficult to understand much less sort out. The only thing we truly know is that we have been told things by the media or people in front of microphones. The surface on all sides is a facade. If you and I have a beef with our employer its us, a manager, maybe HR... A beef with your employer in the NFL is a player, agent, NFLPA, Owner, GM, coach, the League... Some things are said in public, some things are said because the person is in public, and some things are behind closed doors. To pick a side in this is really a fools errand, no? All we really know is that a player found himself sideways with the league over a helmet and that's not a smart move. Just a soon not deal with someone that wins that sort of stupid prize.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-07-2019, 02:02 PM	#9
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by TheOak If you and I have a beef with our employer its us, a manager, maybe HR... A beef with your employer in the NFL is a player, agent, NFLPA, Owner, GM, coach, the League... Some things are said in public, some things are said because the person is in public, and some things are behind closed doors. Thing is, Brown keeps incriminating himself with his output on social media. He's leaving an electronic trail of his own ridiculousness. Makes it awful easy for me to pick a side. subguy and Barry from MS like this.

09-07-2019, 02:35 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Antonio Brown...should we? Originally Posted by neugey Thing is, Brown keeps incriminating himself with his output on social media. He's leaving an electronic trail of his own ridiculousness. Makes it awful easy for me to pick a side. Making a decision on someone’s actions if slightly different than picking a side in a he said/she said. I don’t have to think someone is right or wrong to know they are an a$$.