Observations from Saints' loss at Rams

09-15-2019, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

It doesn't matter how good we are. You can call it pretending if you want. The evidence is there. What we do on the field doesn't matter. Two steps forward and one step back thanks to the flag, which doesn't fly when the same (or worse) offense takes place on the other side. Its right there in front of our faces. Blame whomever you want. The refs controlled this game far more than the rams good play or our 'bad' play. This was a "W" for LA before they kicked it off.

With this kind of thinking, why even bother watching? After all, Roger Goodell is the Wizard of Oz, as you told me. As if he's truly smart enough to pull all this off....

CHA_CHING · 09-15-2019, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Pats win without Brady. Not an excuse. The defensive TD revoke was complete BS. It was a TD. Jared Cook sucks. dropped several easy grabs right in his hands. Don't get me started on QB play. He threw it in the ground several times when he could have made a play. One, all he had to do was run 4 yards. He threw it in the dirt immediately. Pissed me off because he just quit. He's a quitter.

I gave you a like cause I agree with most of this, except the Bridgewater part. I don't think he's a quitter. As much as he frustrates me, he came back from some horrifying injuries earlier in his career.

The Pats win without Brady for a number of reasons but the two main ones are that they usually have great depth on offense and don't have to overly rely on Brady (Last year Brady was an average QB. Sony Michel was their offensive MVP and they rested him in time for the playoffs). The other reason is that they're simply better coached than us. You don't see them having constant penalties on the offensive side of the ball. I know everyone just screams refs over this, but it's a problem after 2 games we can't stop drawing flags on false starts, holds and illegal formations. It's frustrating seeing the Rams get away with it, I know, but it's something we've got to fix.

K Major · 09-15-2019, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Penalties Saints 11-87 Rams 8-65

Statistics don't show key situation penalties.

Of lack thereof ... Cam Jordan non TD was a huge shift in momentum.

saintfan · 09-15-2019, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

With this kind of thinking, why even bother watching? After all, Roger Goodell is the Wizard of Oz, as you told me. As if he's truly smart enough to pull all this off....

I watch because I love the Saints and I support the team. Are you going to tell me you don't think Roger instructed the refs to call this game one-sided? He doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to make that happen.

As I've said in another thread, this isn't a one-off, this is a very clear pattern of behavior that spans time. I'm not sure what you believe, not do I care, but if you can't see it then you're simply not looking. It's as obvious as the nose on your face what's going on. Two straight games with the rams where the officiating was very clearly biased.

I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.

lee909 · 09-15-2019, 08:33 PM

Okay, one that's not likely to be popular.

Have we given big money to a WR that without Brees ability to pass into tight spaces is not worth the contract yet again making no separation today. Teams are not scared of him over the top so without Brees being able to hit him where only he can snag it is he going to produce, because if he can't Kamara is going to be facing 8 man fronts.

Peat absolutely sucked.

The refs definitely swung this game, but it would have been close either way and with them screwing you it's no chance.

The Bridgewater money looks a waste, though he deserves next week to see if he's any better.

st thomas · 09-15-2019, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Might be time to play the young WRs, Butler and Lil'Jordan.

Peat looking like we should have cut/traded him.

Cut that cuuunt

Beastmode · 09-15-2019, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Dude... calling Bridgewater a quitter considering his history is absurd.

Brees would never throw it in the dirt on the snap. He threw it in the dirt on the snap a couple of times. Go back and watch it. It blew me away because I have never seen a QB do that so quick. It is a defeatism attitude to do so when on one, he could have easily ran for a first down. No defending that approach from any vantage point. It's a quitter mentality.

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blackangold · 09-15-2019, 09:36 PM

Payton just tossed the line under the bus... said he is comfortable with Teddy and he needs better line play cause they got whipped.

Being at the game.. I saw it completely different Teddy was holding onto the ball for too long and missing wide open WRs. By wide open I mean having Ginn 20yards away from anyone and cook in the back of the end zone with no one around him... Teddy isn’t a starter anymore, arguably never was, he is a game manager. Season is lost if Payton doesn’t start Hill, Brees is out for the season.

09-15-2019, 07:38 PM	#21
Threaded by CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by saintfan It doesn't matter how good we are. You can call it pretending if you want. The evidence is there. What we do on the field doesn't matter. Two steps forward and one step back thanks to the flag, which doesn't fly when the same (or worse) offense takes place on the other side. Its right there in front of our faces. Blame whomever you want. The refs controlled this game far more than the rams good play or our 'bad' play. This was a "W" for LA before they kicked it off. With this kind of thinking, why even bother watching? After all, Roger Goodell is the Wizard of Oz, as you told me. As if he's truly smart enough to pull all this off....
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09-15-2019, 07:44 PM	#22
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Originally Posted by Beastmode Pats win without Brady. Not an excuse. The defensive TD revoke was complete BS. It was a TD. Jared Cook sucks. dropped several easy grabs right in his hands. Don't get me started on QB play. He threw it in the ground several times when he could have made a play. One, all he had to do was run 4 yards. He threw it in the dirt immediately. Pissed me off because he just quit. He's a quitter. I gave you a like cause I agree with most of this, except the Bridgewater part. I don't think he's a quitter. As much as he frustrates me, he came back from some horrifying injuries earlier in his career. The Pats win without Brady for a number of reasons but the two main ones are that they usually have great depth on offense and don't have to overly rely on Brady (Last year Brady was an average QB. Sony Michel was their offensive MVP and they rested him in time for the playoffs). The other reason is that they're simply better coached than us. You don't see them having constant penalties on the offensive side of the ball. I know everyone just screams refs over this, but it's a problem after 2 games we can't stop drawing flags on false starts, holds and illegal formations. It's frustrating seeing the Rams get away with it, I know, but it's something we've got to fix.

09-15-2019, 07:44 PM	#23
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Originally Posted by RailBoss Penalties Saints 11-87 Rams 8-65 Statistics don't show key situation penalties. Of lack thereof ... Cam Jordan non TD was a huge shift in momentum. Crusader and SmashMouth like this.

09-15-2019, 08:13 PM	#24
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Originally Posted by CHA_CHING With this kind of thinking, why even bother watching? After all, Roger Goodell is the Wizard of Oz, as you told me. As if he's truly smart enough to pull all this off.... I watch because I love the Saints and I support the team. Are you going to tell me you don't think Roger instructed the refs to call this game one-sided? He doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to make that happen. As I've said in another thread, this isn't a one-off, this is a very clear pattern of behavior that spans time. I'm not sure what you believe, not do I care, but if you can't see it then you're simply not looking. It's as obvious as the nose on your face what's going on. Two straight games with the rams where the officiating was very clearly biased. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.
	C'mon Man...

09-15-2019, 08:33 PM	#25
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Okay, one that's not likely to be popular. Have we given big money to a WR that without Brees ability to pass into tight spaces is not worth the contract yet again making no separation today. Teams are not scared of him over the top so without Brees being able to hit him where only he can snag it is he going to produce, because if he can't Kamara is going to be facing 8 man fronts. Peat absolutely sucked. The refs definitely swung this game, but it would have been close either way and with them screwing you it's no chance. The Bridgewater money looks a waste, though he deserves next week to see if he's any better. CHA_CHING likes this.
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09-15-2019, 08:37 PM	#26
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Originally Posted by SmashMouth Might be time to play the young WRs, Butler and Lil'Jordan. Peat looking like we should have cut/traded him. Cut that cuuunt

09-15-2019, 09:04 PM	#27
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Dude... calling Bridgewater a quitter considering his history is absurd. Brees would never throw it in the dirt on the snap. He threw it in the dirt on the snap a couple of times. Go back and watch it. It blew me away because I have never seen a QB do that so quick. It is a defeatism attitude to do so when on one, he could have easily ran for a first down. No defending that approach from any vantage point. It's a quitter mentality.
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09-15-2019, 09:36 PM	#30
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from Saints' loss at Rams Payton just tossed the line under the bus... said he is comfortable with Teddy and he needs better line play cause they got whipped. Being at the game.. I saw it completely different Teddy was holding onto the ball for too long and missing wide open WRs. By wide open I mean having Ginn 20yards away from anyone and cook in the back of the end zone with no one around him... Teddy isn’t a starter anymore, arguably never was, he is a game manager. Season is lost if Payton doesn’t start Hill, Brees is out for the season. SmashMouth likes this.
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