Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever

MatthewT · 09-24-2019, 12:18 PM

Ingram never really got going last year, the writing was on the wall that he was going to be less involved.

Budsdrinker · 09-24-2019, 01:12 PM

Everything I heard was that it was Ingram's decision to leave. Payton was upset that he wasn't given enough of a chance to talk to Ingram.

iceshack149 · 09-24-2019, 02:31 PM

Holy hot take, Batman.

Rugby Saint II · 09-24-2019, 03:04 PM

I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best.

TheOak · 09-25-2019, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best.

1. That's not how agents work, they can't/don't operate alone without the consent of the person they are representing,yes they influence the consent but Ingram is no fool. Ingram knew what number was being thrown at the Saint's.

2. In a negotiation if you throw out a ridiculous request, you have already decided which route you are going. The ridiculous request is a passive aggressive "I'll only stay for an offer that I can not refuse"..

3. Ingram sulking and not wanting to leave New Orleans doesn't mean he didn't want to be a featured back and decidedly went somewhere where he could get that.

Not sure why a large percentage of the commenters want to paint someone as evil or greedy... Business is business and some times both parties settle with neither getting what they truly want. The Saints wanted to keep Ingram, Ingram wanted to be a featured back.... those two ideas do not align.

Rugby Saint II · 09-25-2019, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

1. That's not how agents work, they can't/don't operate alone without the consent of the person they are representing,yes they influence the consent but Ingram is no fool. Ingram knew what number was being thrown at the Saint's.

2. In a negotiation if you throw out a ridiculous request, you have already decided which route you are going. The ridiculous request is a passive aggressive "I'll only stay for an offer that I can not refuse"..

3. Ingram sulking and not wanting to leave New Orleans doesn't mean he didn't want to be a featured back and decidedly went somewhere where he could get that.

Not sure why a large percentage of the commenters want to paint someone as evil or greedy... Business is business and some times both parties settle with neither getting what they truly want. The Saints wanted to keep Ingram, Ingram wanted to be a featured back.... those two ideas do not align.

Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him.

There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left.

Danno · 09-25-2019, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him.

There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left.

I don't think he was loved by the fans at all. He endured ridiculous criticism here while he was a Saint. I remember many of us had to defend him and Payton nearly daily. I remeber one play where he was hit by 3 defenders 2 yards in the backfield right at the handoff and a couple posters here (I won't mention your names) yelled "Dammit Ingram". That BS happened frequently.

I think he's probably more loved in Baltimore now than he was when he was here.

TheOak · 09-25-2019, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him.

There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left.

Thanks! I have a much clearer picture now, I didn't realize he jetted his agent after.... (did he? I cant find it anywhere in the news)

This is my take: Mark started to believe his own hype, his agent believed it as well and they both went all in thinking he was irreplaceable. That body language can be seen walking away from every table in Vegas, someone went all in and lost. I will assume he terminated his agent because his agent did what an agent does, hypes you up and goes for big money.

This was Ingram's 3rd contract and he should have known better than to get blind sided.

A little history.. Mark Ingram terminated his agent in 2011 just before the draft. In April of 2018 he replaced his agent again.. Now you say a third time..?

Then there is this... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/vide...hose-baltimore

Rugby Saint II · 09-25-2019, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Thanks! I have a much clearer picture now, I didn't realize he jetted his agent after.... (did he? I cant find it anywhere in the news)

This is my take: Mark started to believe his own hype, his agent believed it as well and they both went all in thinking he was irreplaceable. That body language can be seen walking away from every table in Vegas, someone went all in and lost. I will assume he terminated his agent because his agent did what an agent does, hypes you up and goes for big money.

This was Ingram's 3rd contract and he should have known better than to get blind sided.

A little history.. Mark Ingram terminated his agent in 2011 just before the draft. In April of 2018 he replaced his agent again.. Now you say a third time..?

Then there is this... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/vide...hose-baltimore

Touché Amigo!

Rsanders24 · 09-25-2019, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best.

Thats is similar to what I heard also. We offered 4mil/yr and His agent threw a ridiculously high number out there...close to 7mil/year. After that we didn’t try to counter and that was that. Apparently the agent was lying about the offers that Ingram had and he was trying to use it as leverage.

09-24-2019, 12:18 PM	#1
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Ingram never really got going last year, the writing was on the wall that he was going to be less involved.

09-24-2019, 01:12 PM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Everything I heard was that it was Ingram's decision to leave. Payton was upset that he wasn't given enough of a chance to talk to Ingram. skymike and SaintsBro like this.

09-24-2019, 02:31 PM	#3
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09-24-2019, 03:04 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best. Rsanders24 and skymike like this.

09-25-2019, 04:12 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best. 1. That's not how agents work, they can't/don't operate alone without the consent of the person they are representing,yes they influence the consent but Ingram is no fool. Ingram knew what number was being thrown at the Saint's. 2. In a negotiation if you throw out a ridiculous request, you have already decided which route you are going. The ridiculous request is a passive aggressive "I'll only stay for an offer that I can not refuse".. 3. Ingram sulking and not wanting to leave New Orleans doesn't mean he didn't want to be a featured back and decidedly went somewhere where he could get that. Not sure why a large percentage of the commenters want to paint someone as evil or greedy... Business is business and some times both parties settle with neither getting what they truly want. The Saints wanted to keep Ingram, Ingram wanted to be a featured back.... those two ideas do not align. Danno, SmashMouth and SaintsBro like this.
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09-25-2019, 01:02 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by TheOak 1. That's not how agents work, they can't/don't operate alone without the consent of the person they are representing,yes they influence the consent but Ingram is no fool. Ingram knew what number was being thrown at the Saint's. 2. In a negotiation if you throw out a ridiculous request, you have already decided which route you are going. The ridiculous request is a passive aggressive "I'll only stay for an offer that I can not refuse".. 3. Ingram sulking and not wanting to leave New Orleans doesn't mean he didn't want to be a featured back and decidedly went somewhere where he could get that. Not sure why a large percentage of the commenters want to paint someone as evil or greedy... Business is business and some times both parties settle with neither getting what they truly want. The Saints wanted to keep Ingram, Ingram wanted to be a featured back.... those two ideas do not align. Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him. There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left.
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09-25-2019, 01:50 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him. There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left. I don't think he was loved by the fans at all. He endured ridiculous criticism here while he was a Saint. I remember many of us had to defend him and Payton nearly daily. I remeber one play where he was hit by 3 defenders 2 yards in the backfield right at the handoff and a couple posters here (I won't mention your names) yelled "Dammit Ingram". That BS happened frequently. I think he's probably more loved in Baltimore now than he was when he was here.

09-25-2019, 03:35 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him. There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left. Thanks! I have a much clearer picture now, I didn't realize he jetted his agent after.... (did he? I cant find it anywhere in the news) This is my take: Mark started to believe his own hype, his agent believed it as well and they both went all in thinking he was irreplaceable. That body language can be seen walking away from every table in Vegas, someone went all in and lost. I will assume he terminated his agent because his agent did what an agent does, hypes you up and goes for big money. This was Ingram's 3rd contract and he should have known better than to get blind sided. A little history.. Mark Ingram terminated his agent in 2011 just before the draft. In April of 2018 he replaced his agent again.. Now you say a third time..? Then there is this... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/vide...hose-baltimore Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-25-2019, 04:13 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by TheOak Thanks! I have a much clearer picture now, I didn't realize he jetted his agent after.... (did he? I cant find it anywhere in the news) This is my take: Mark started to believe his own hype, his agent believed it as well and they both went all in thinking he was irreplaceable. That body language can be seen walking away from every table in Vegas, someone went all in and lost. I will assume he terminated his agent because his agent did what an agent does, hypes you up and goes for big money. This was Ingram's 3rd contract and he should have known better than to get blind sided. A little history.. Mark Ingram terminated his agent in 2011 just before the draft. In April of 2018 he replaced his agent again.. Now you say a third time..? Then there is this... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/vide...hose-baltimore Touché Amigo!

09-25-2019, 03:49 PM	#10
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best. Thats is similar to what I heard also. We offered 4mil/yr and His agent threw a ridiculously high number out there...close to 7mil/year. After that we didn’t try to counter and that was that. Apparently the agent was lying about the offers that Ingram had and he was trying to use it as leverage. Rugby Saint II likes this.