Saints: A good offseason?

WhoDat · 08-02-2005, 11:46 AM

Dude - all I was doing in the first place was giving you ish. Whatever, I'm over it.

Let me ask you one more question Whodi. You said Horn will have a good year and be productive (at least, that's your guess)... right?

Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell?

saintswhodi · 08-02-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Dude - all I was doing in the first place was giving you ish. Whatever, I'm over it.

Let me ask you one more question Whodi. You said Horn will have a good year and be productive (at least, that's your guess)... right?

Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell?

Why does it matter at all to you what I think of Horn, or how I think he will do, or where he will rank? Why is it such a big deal to you that I vindicate Horn? Seriously. Why do you need my stamp of approval on Joe Horn? Don't be so insecure. Joe is, and has been a great receiver for us, is that not enough? I have no reason to believe he won't continue to be, and I have never said he won't be. So why the infatuation?

WhoDat · 08-02-2005, 01:01 PM

Why does it matter at all to you what I think of Horn, or how I think he will do, or where he will rank? Why is it such a big deal to you that I vindicate Horn? Seriously. Why do you need my stamp of approval on Joe Horn? Don't be so insecure. Joe is, and has been a great receiver for us, is that not enough? I have no reason to believe he won't continue to be, and I have never said he won't be. So why the infatuation?

I don't care one way or the other how you feel about Horn, Whodi. I take it that you're deflection is based on the fact that you can't answer this question:

Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell?

Without using prior stats to predict some type of specific (if not exact) future stats. Which was the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't setting you up now to pull it out later and rib you.

WhoDat · 08-02-2005, 01:07 PM

One quick note... I'm just playing with you Whodi. I'm just pushing you on your statements, but not to embarrass you or piss you off. Feel free to poke back, but please don't take it as offensive, it's not the intenet.

saintswhodi · 08-02-2005, 01:21 PM

I can answer the question easily, I just wanted to know where you were coming from. A good year for Horn may be anything similar to what he has done previously, or maybe not even that much with a new emphasis on the running game. A good year for Horn is him catching the ball when it is thrown his way, not getting hurt, and being Joe Horn. He doesn't have to put up pro bowl numbers for me to consider it a good year. So I guess right now, for me, a good year for Joe Horn is relative. If he doesn't put up the same numbers he has previously, but we win the division, I am gonna consider that a good year for Joe Horn, cause it was a winning year for the team. If he leads the league in all stats yet we didn't come close to the playoffs, from a personal standpoint for Joe Horn I would consider it a great year for him, but it would be marred by the fact the team had another sub-par season. So to me, a good year for Joe Horn, or any Saint, at this point, is relative to wins and losses. Once the season is over, if you wanna take what they did and make arguments like, "Hey, Joe led the league in all receiving stats, so it can't possibly be his fault we failed again, or he definitely is not getting old," that's all good. Stats are a good measure of assigning blame after the fact. Not the only one, but a good one. But I just can't see the point in guessing what those rankings or stats will be before game 1 has been played. Taking those numbers at the end and saying, Joe is better than TO cause of this, this and this is a whole nother animal IMO.

saintswhodi · 08-02-2005, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

One quick note... I'm just playing with you Whodi. I'm just pushing you on your statements, but not to embarrass you or piss you off. Feel free to poke back, but please don't take it as offensive, it's not the intenet.

After smitty and Sam's posts, I realized I was taking this too seriously. It's all good bro. You know how to push my buttons, and I accept that. Actually, it doesn't take much to push my buttons, but I digress....

08-02-2005, 11:46 AM	#61
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Dude - all I was doing in the first place was giving you ish. Whatever, I'm over it. Let me ask you one more question Whodi. You said Horn will have a good year and be productive (at least, that's your guess)... right? Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell?
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08-02-2005, 11:57 AM	#62
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat Dude - all I was doing in the first place was giving you ish. Whatever, I'm over it. Let me ask you one more question Whodi. You said Horn will have a good year and be productive (at least, that's your guess)... right? Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell? Why does it matter at all to you what I think of Horn, or how I think he will do, or where he will rank? Why is it such a big deal to you that I vindicate Horn? Seriously. Why do you need my stamp of approval on Joe Horn? Don't be so insecure. Joe is, and has been a great receiver for us, is that not enough? I have no reason to believe he won't continue to be, and I have never said he won't be. So why the infatuation?

08-02-2005, 01:01 PM	#63
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why does it matter at all to you what I think of Horn, or how I think he will do, or where he will rank? Why is it such a big deal to you that I vindicate Horn? Seriously. Why do you need my stamp of approval on Joe Horn? Don't be so insecure. Joe is, and has been a great receiver for us, is that not enough? I have no reason to believe he won't continue to be, and I have never said he won't be. So why the infatuation? I don't care one way or the other how you feel about Horn, Whodi. I take it that you're deflection is based on the fact that you can't answer this question: Well, what is a "good" year for Horn and how can you tell? Without using prior stats to predict some type of specific (if not exact) future stats. Which was the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't setting you up now to pull it out later and rib you.
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08-02-2005, 01:07 PM	#64
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	One quick note... I'm just playing with you Whodi. I'm just pushing you on your statements, but not to embarrass you or piss you off. Feel free to poke back, but please don't take it as offensive, it's not the intenet.
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08-02-2005, 01:26 PM	#66
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat One quick note... I'm just playing with you Whodi. I'm just pushing you on your statements, but not to embarrass you or piss you off. Feel free to poke back, but please don't take it as offensive, it's not the intenet. After smitty and Sam's posts, I realized I was taking this too seriously. It's all good bro. You know how to push my buttons, and I accept that. Actually, it doesn't take much to push my buttons, but I digress....

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08-02-2005, 01:21 PM	#65
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I can answer the question easily, I just wanted to know where you were coming from. A good year for Horn may be anything similar to what he has done previously, or maybe not even that much with a new emphasis on the running game. A good year for Horn is him catching the ball when it is thrown his way, not getting hurt, and being Joe Horn. He doesn't have to put up pro bowl numbers for me to consider it a good year. So I guess right now, for me, a good year for Joe Horn is relative. If he doesn't put up the same numbers he has previously, but we win the division, I am gonna consider that a good year for Joe Horn, cause it was a winning year for the team. If he leads the league in all stats yet we didn't come close to the playoffs, from a personal standpoint for Joe Horn I would consider it a great year for him, but it would be marred by the fact the team had another sub-par season. So to me, a good year for Joe Horn, or any Saint, at this point, is relative to wins and losses. Once the season is over, if you wanna take what they did and make arguments like, "Hey, Joe led the league in all receiving stats, so it can't possibly be his fault we failed again, or he definitely is not getting old," that's all good. Stats are a good measure of assigning blame after the fact. Not the only one, but a good one. But I just can't see the point in guessing what those rankings or stats will be before game 1 has been played. Taking those numbers at the end and saying, Joe is better than TO cause of this, this and this is a whole nother animal IMO.