Brees is done

dam1953 · 11-12-2019, 09:28 AM

Sunday's game was a throwback to the 7-9 seasons where Brees was taking sacks because of poor O line play and receivers not getting quick separation.

Looks like our D had a 7-9 throwback game as well.

yungbreesus · 11-12-2019, 10:30 AM

It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary.

I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone.

The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center.

voodooido · 11-12-2019, 07:03 PM

I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.

st thomas · 11-12-2019, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by yungbreesus

It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary.

I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone.

The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center.

I just couldn’t believe him looking deep when we needed 5- 7 yards not enough screens to back the pressure off. It had to be they didn’t want AK using his cuts to much just straight ahead running mostly to protect his bad legs.

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Rsanders24 · 11-12-2019, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.

Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game.

Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles.

Rueben Mayes · 11-12-2019, 08:02 PM

start the cliche counter here Who Dats...

since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome...

"The NFL is a week to week league"....so true.

Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.)

yungbreesus · 11-13-2019, 07:36 AM

some of sunday was on the o-line but honestly you can't expect those guys to pass protect that many times, on top of how long drew was holding onto the ball. the pass/run balance was totally off and it felt like brees was trying to hard to make some kind of statement. it's only an issue if it continues, because if we use the same game plan again we're losing again. that was a 1-7 team that came into our house and embarrassed us. imagine going on the road against a playoff team with that.

K Major · 11-13-2019, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes

start the cliche counter here Who Dats...

since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome...

"The NFL is a week to week league"....so true.

Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.)

This ^^^ .

K Major · 11-13-2019, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years.

Andrus was playing poorly before he went down & I'm not speaking of just the ATL game either. This is a #13 pick from the 2015 draft who at times has been very underwhelming. Peat is not awful but average. I saw the replay of the Falcons game and he was STEAM ROLLED

multiple times. This is unacceptable from a 1st rounder.

If a player struggles (ARMSTEAD) with injuries, they need to be elite like Armstead. I can live with a guy who gives 100% every time he suits up (even if he has the flu) vs a Peat who is a marginal blocker, on again/off again from week to week.

If and when the time comes for the Saints front office to say good bye to Armstead, you better have a damn good back up plan in place for his replacement.

voodooido · 11-13-2019, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game.

Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles.

You may want to watch the game again. TA and Clapp got destroyed all game. 95% of the pressures came from those two. There is no was TA is a top LT.

11-12-2019, 09:28 AM	#101
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Brees is done Sunday's game was a throwback to the 7-9 seasons where Brees was taking sacks because of poor O line play and receivers not getting quick separation. Looks like our D had a 7-9 throwback game as well. Rueben Mayes likes this.

11-12-2019, 10:30 AM	#102
yungbreesus Registered Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 56	Re: Brees is done It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary. I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone. The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center. jnormand, Rueben Mayes and SaintGnome like this.
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11-12-2019, 07:03 PM	#103
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Brees is done I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years. jnormand and Audiotom like this.
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11-12-2019, 07:29 PM	#104
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by yungbreesus It's unlikely that Brees is done. But Sunday proved that playing Brees Ball isn't going to win us games. By that I mean the pass heavy approach isn't how this team is built any more. A lot of this is on Sean, but I also think it's possible Drew is checking out of run plays because he himself is not acclimated to the changes that came about during the stretch of Teddy. Having Murray and Kamara only run 9 times combined is a recipe for disaster and worst of all, totally unnecessary. I also fear Drew is too hung up on his personal stats to make sound decisions for the team. Obviously not all the time, but you can clearly see that he's trying to do too much at times. I wanted to puke when he was trying to force a garbage TD at the end of that game. I was legit physically ill. Not just because we were risking injury for nothing, but also the fact that we showed we can't score in that position. If we have to play an important game that comes down to our last possession, teams now have more tape on what we look like when we're desperate in the red zone. The good news is that most of these problems can be fixed. Sean and Drew just need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that the Teddy formula is the future of this team, even if Drew is under center. I just couldn’t believe him looking deep when we needed 5- 7 yards not enough screens to back the pressure off. It had to be they didn’t want AK using his cuts to much just straight ahead running mostly to protect his bad legs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Audiotom and yungbreesus like this.

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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by voodooido I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years. Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game. Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles. Rugby Saint II, st thomas and Audiotom like this.

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11-13-2019, 07:36 AM	#107
yungbreesus Registered Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 56	Re: Brees is done some of sunday was on the o-line but honestly you can't expect those guys to pass protect that many times, on top of how long drew was holding onto the ball. the pass/run balance was totally off and it felt like brees was trying to hard to make some kind of statement. it's only an issue if it continues, because if we use the same game plan again we're losing again. that was a 1-7 team that came into our house and embarrassed us. imagine going on the road against a playoff team with that.
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11-13-2019, 08:10 AM	#108
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes start the cliche counter here Who Dats... since I have heard this on a few occasions by some pundits I do agree with it and I am trying to use it to help cope with such a poor showing in the Dome... "The NFL is a week to week league"....so true. Also, "Any Given Sunday" applies here I think and should serve as a reminder to our beloved Saints that because a loss can happen on any given Sunday ya gotta get up for each and every one of the 16 games that are played unless you clinch early and then it might be permissible to altar your team's strategy(resting starters, etc.) This ^^^ .

11-13-2019, 09:28 AM	#109
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by voodooido I feel like I lost 10 iq points just reading this thread. Drew had 0 time to throw and still went for almost 300. TA needs traded or released in the offseason and peat is a lot better than we thought. Peat goes down and all hell broke loose. Drew has 3 more good years. Andrus was playing poorly before he went down & I'm not speaking of just the ATL game either. This is a #13 pick from the 2015 draft who at times has been very underwhelming. Peat is not awful but average. I saw the replay of the Falcons game and he was STEAM ROLLED multiple times. This is unacceptable from a 1st rounder. If a player struggles (ARMSTEAD) with injuries, they need to be elite like Armstead. I can live with a guy who gives 100% every time he suits up (even if he has the flu) vs a Peat who is a marginal blocker, on again/off again from week to week. If and when the time comes for the Saints front office to say good bye to Armstead, you better have a damn good back up plan in place for his replacement.
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11-13-2019, 11:25 AM	#110
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Drew should have had over 300 yards...he threw the ball 45 times! The middle of our line was the weakest link, especially after Peat got hurt. Armstead might have been responsible for one sack and that was because they collapsed the pocket keeping Brees from being able to step up. The entire line played bad overall even Ram allowed a sack. If you think we are better off without Armstead then you might have lost a few IQ points. He is one of the best LTs in the game. Play action didn’t fool anyone because they didn’t run the ball! This was on Brees and Payton with the play calling and audibles. You may want to watch the game again. TA and Clapp got destroyed all game. 95% of the pressures came from those two. There is no was TA is a top LT.
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