Is It Clear?

vpheughan · 11-24-2019, 08:13 PM

As I stated after last year's NFCCG. Welcome To The WWNFL!!!

llaguardia81 · 11-24-2019, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

At this point its only Goodells fault for not putting a stop to Al Riveron, why Sean Payton was talking about the need for a commitee of ppl on replay, theirs no trust in Riveron and his band of misfits.

I agree that Riveron needs to be fired. I also think he has to be smart enough to know what's good for business for the NFL. And messing up a small but loyal and profitable small market team isn't it.

Garry42 · 11-25-2019, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by cmike

Game turned after the penalty on Cam.

It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected.

The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

burningmetal · 11-25-2019, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Garry42

It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected.

The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it.

And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists.

What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review.

st thomas · 11-25-2019, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it.

And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists.

What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review.

Cam was embarrassed by what happened he will bring it back together . The little twerp QBs dramatic help pull the flag from the a hole that was standing next to him. It seemed that crew had it in for us but read on—-The flags galore yesterday was a testament that teams have been complaining about our online . It started early in the season then lulled then came back again . When your best left tackle goes down guess what there eyeing us more.

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skymike · 11-25-2019, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

...it so damn clear they are against us, Stevie Wonder can see it.
Btw just for the comment Saints got flagged 15 yards...

LOLOL... havent seen you before, but you're hilarious.

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

What little I’ve been on here this season, I’ve been saying it all season.
But you,Saintfan, has been saying longer and louder than anybody.
Roger Goodell will NOT let us win another Super Bowl...period.

get back on here.

Originally Posted by saintfan

Nice job by the entire organization. Way to keep your heads up in an environment that is clearly stacked against you.

Amen, Banana Man

SaintsBro · 11-25-2019, 10:19 AM

It's incredibly frustrating that this happens in a game the same week that they send out the invoice for playoff tickets, after the Rams debacle last year. I mean come on. It doesn't make me feel good about sending in my money. I want to believe the league is fair, that it's an honest game, but this ****show isn't helping.

vpheughan · 11-25-2019, 11:36 AM

Go back and watch 1979's North Dallas Forty. Pete Gent was an NFL player. He knew!!

As long as you make money for The Man. A powerful line: “Every time I say it's a game, you tell me it's a business. Every time I say it's a business, you tell me it's a game.”

To the FAN it is a game.

To the NFL..........You tell me!

Vrillon82 · 11-25-2019, 02:55 PM

Was one game this year between cinci and pitt where their was a blantant PI i think it was against cinci, but was never called when challenged. Why is this also significant? Cinic was only 1 of 32 teams that didnt vote in favor of the new pi rule.

Rugby Saint II · 11-25-2019, 03:21 PM

The Saints are a small market team. We don't have the same apparel sales that a large market team does. We pissed off the league when we beat the beloved Peyton Manning lead Colts and stole their Lombardi with an on sides kick. They are illegal now. Hmmm..... Bounty gate followed and then the flags started flying against us but not our opponent. Payton has called the NFL out on several occasions and showed the country that he was right.....except for that bounty gate made up mess. The clown shirts worn by Saints players and coaches probably didn't help matters though.

In essence it's us against the league and the team that we are playing every single game. The refs hate us for calling them out and Godhell hates us for showing that bounty gate was baseless accusations. Player punishment was thrown out but the NFL went after our front office and coaches that didn't have a union to fight for them. I can't recall anything that was egregious enough to attack ANY front office. Godhell is just vindictive!

I will say this. Maybe just maybe the league is only trying to keep games close to keep the viewers excited(which is just wrong on all levels)....but I doubt that it factors into the perplexing penalties that the Saints get.

11-24-2019, 08:13 PM	#11
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Is It Clear? As I stated after last year's NFCCG. Welcome To The WWNFL!!!
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11-24-2019, 08:27 PM	#12
llaguardia81 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 443 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by Vrillon82 At this point its only Goodells fault for not putting a stop to Al Riveron, why Sean Payton was talking about the need for a commitee of ppl on replay, theirs no trust in Riveron and his band of misfits. I agree that Riveron needs to be fired. I also think he has to be smart enough to know what's good for business for the NFL. And messing up a small but loyal and profitable small market team isn't it. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-25-2019, 07:45 AM	#13
Garry42 Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 785	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by cmike Game turned after the penalty on Cam. It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected. The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

11-25-2019, 08:16 AM	#14
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by Garry42 It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected. The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call. It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it. And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists. What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review. neugey, st thomas, Garry42 and 1 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-25-2019, 09:07 AM	#15
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by burningmetal It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it. And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists. What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review. Cam was embarrassed by what happened he will bring it back together . The little twerp QBs dramatic help pull the flag from the a hole that was standing next to him. It seemed that crew had it in for us but read on—-The flags galore yesterday was a testament that teams have been complaining about our online . It started early in the season then lulled then came back again . When your best left tackle goes down guess what there eyeing us more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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11-25-2019, 10:07 AM	#16
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by GeauxForMore ...it so damn clear they are against us, Stevie Wonder can see it. Btw just for the comment Saints got flagged 15 yards... LOLOL... havent seen you before, but you're hilarious. Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka What little I’ve been on here this season, I’ve been saying it all season. But you,Saintfan, has been saying longer and louder than anybody. Roger Goodell will NOT let us win another Super Bowl...period. get back on here. Originally Posted by saintfan Nice job by the entire organization. Way to keep your heads up in an environment that is clearly stacked against you. Amen, Banana Man saintfan, foreverfan, Srgt. Hulka and 1 others like this.

11-25-2019, 10:19 AM	#17
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is It Clear? It's incredibly frustrating that this happens in a game the same week that they send out the invoice for playoff tickets, after the Rams debacle last year. I mean come on. It doesn't make me feel good about sending in my money. I want to believe the league is fair, that it's an honest game, but this ****show isn't helping.

11-25-2019, 11:36 AM	#18
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Is It Clear? Go back and watch 1979's North Dallas Forty. Pete Gent was an NFL player. He knew!! As long as you make money for The Man. A powerful line: “Every time I say it's a game, you tell me it's a business. Every time I say it's a business, you tell me it's a game.” To the FAN it is a game. To the NFL..........You tell me!
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11-25-2019, 02:55 PM	#19
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Is It Clear? Was one game this year between cinci and pitt where their was a blantant PI i think it was against cinci, but was never called when challenged. Why is this also significant? Cinic was only 1 of 32 teams that didnt vote in favor of the new pi rule.
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11-25-2019, 03:21 PM	#20
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Is It Clear? The Saints are a small market team. We don't have the same apparel sales that a large market team does. We pissed off the league when we beat the beloved Peyton Manning lead Colts and stole their Lombardi with an on sides kick. They are illegal now. Hmmm..... Bounty gate followed and then the flags started flying against us but not our opponent. Payton has called the NFL out on several occasions and showed the country that he was right.....except for that bounty gate made up mess. The clown shirts worn by Saints players and coaches probably didn't help matters though. In essence it's us against the league and the team that we are playing every single game. The refs hate us for calling them out and Godhell hates us for showing that bounty gate was baseless accusations. Player punishment was thrown out but the NFL went after our front office and coaches that didn't have a union to fight for them. I can't recall anything that was egregious enough to attack ANY front office. Godhell is just vindictive! I will say this. Maybe just maybe the league is only trying to keep games close to keep the viewers excited(which is just wrong on all levels)....but I doubt that it factors into the perplexing penalties that the Saints get.
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