Is It Clear?

saintfan · 11-24-2019, 03:40 PM

Although my recent rhetoric would indicate otherwise, I do not like to blame the refs. You have to overcome bad calls and in general all teams have to do it.

But today, as with recent games, it is ever clear to me that the Saints not only have to beat the team they're playing, they also have to overcome what, to me, is a clear bias by the league to manipulate the outcome of the games.

We simply have to play cleaner than the other team. I hate that Roger has done this to the NFL. I really do. It puts extra pressure on us. And we're not the only team suffering from a league bias.

Good win today. Nice job by the entire organization. Way to keep your heads up in an environment that is clearly stacked against you.

RockyMountainSaint · 11-24-2019, 04:03 PM

It was blatant and it is undeniable.

3-25 Panthers
12-123 Saints
Hands to the face can be called on every play.
If you want to manipulate the outcome? Call that in key spots.
The PI in their last drive was an obvious : "F you. We can do what we want and you are powerless."
They will screw us in the playoffs.
That, they are telegraphing.

GeauxForMore · 11-24-2019, 04:12 PM

No person on the planet can tell me the Panthers didn't have more than 3 penalties the entire game. I never blame the refs, but it so damn clear they are against us, Stevie Wonder can see it.

Btw just for the comment Saints got flagged 15 yards...

darksoul35 · 11-24-2019, 04:14 PM

It was horrible. Im glad we pulled it out.

neugey · 11-24-2019, 04:15 PM

The reviewable PI rule has been an absolute s**tshow, not just towards us but in so many other games during the season. It was the wrong solution to be sure, and I knew it all along. They really need to scrap it this off-season.

We got hosed a fair amount in this game, but really the offensive playcalling got really wonky at key times in the second half and that was was what kept Carolina in the game in the first place. Should have played it smarter and put the game away.

blackangold · 11-24-2019, 04:45 PM

The play calling on both sides of the ball was bad. Not covering cmc like a blanket just drives me crazy... Payton called himself out in the post game presser for play calling.

cmike · 11-24-2019, 05:16 PM

Game turned after the penalty on Cam.

Garry42 · 11-25-2019, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by cmike

Game turned after the penalty on Cam.

It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected.

The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

burningmetal · 11-25-2019, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Garry42

It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected.

The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it.

And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists.

What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review.

st thomas · 11-25-2019, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it.

And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists.

What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review.

Cam was embarrassed by what happened he will bring it back together . The little twerp QBs dramatic help pull the flag from the a hole that was standing next to him. It seemed that crew had it in for us but read on—-The flags galore yesterday was a testament that teams have been complaining about our online . It started early in the season then lulled then came back again . When your best left tackle goes down guess what there eyeing us more.

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11-24-2019, 03:40 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Is It Clear? Although my recent rhetoric would indicate otherwise, I do not like to blame the refs. You have to overcome bad calls and in general all teams have to do it. But today, as with recent games, it is ever clear to me that the Saints not only have to beat the team they're playing, they also have to overcome what, to me, is a clear bias by the league to manipulate the outcome of the games. We simply have to play cleaner than the other team. I hate that Roger has done this to the NFL. I really do. It puts extra pressure on us. And we're not the only team suffering from a league bias. Good win today. Nice job by the entire organization. Way to keep your heads up in an environment that is clearly stacked against you. Halo, iceshack149, jnormand and 12 others like this.
	C'mon Man...

11-24-2019, 04:03 PM	#2
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Is It Clear? It was blatant and it is undeniable. 3-25 Panthers 12-123 Saints Hands to the face can be called on every play. If you want to manipulate the outcome? Call that in key spots. The PI in their last drive was an obvious : "F you. We can do what we want and you are powerless." They will screw us in the playoffs. That, they are telegraphing. saintfan, iceshack149, neugey and 6 others like this.

11-24-2019, 04:12 PM	#3
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Re: Is It Clear? No person on the planet can tell me the Panthers didn't have more than 3 penalties the entire game. I never blame the refs, but it so damn clear they are against us, Stevie Wonder can see it. Btw just for the comment Saints got flagged 15 yards... RockyMountainSaint, neugey and skymike like this.

11-24-2019, 04:14 PM	#4
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Is It Clear? It was horrible. Im glad we pulled it out. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-24-2019, 04:15 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Is It Clear? The reviewable PI rule has been an absolute s**tshow, not just towards us but in so many other games during the season. It was the wrong solution to be sure, and I knew it all along. They really need to scrap it this off-season. We got hosed a fair amount in this game, but really the offensive playcalling got really wonky at key times in the second half and that was was what kept Carolina in the game in the first place. Should have played it smarter and put the game away.

11-24-2019, 04:45 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Is It Clear? The play calling on both sides of the ball was bad. Not covering cmc like a blanket just drives me crazy... Payton called himself out in the post game presser for play calling.

11-24-2019, 05:16 PM	#7
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Is It Clear? Game turned after the penalty on Cam. SaintsBro likes this.

11-25-2019, 06:45 AM	#8
Garry42 Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 785	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by cmike Game turned after the penalty on Cam. It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected. The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call.

11-25-2019, 07:16 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by Garry42 It absolutely did. It seemed like all momentum was lost after that play. And...that was the stupidest penalty I have seen all year. Cam is fortunate he didn't get ejected. The league really needs to figure out PI calls. I realize it is a subjective call, but there is just no consistency on what is called and not called. The reversal of OPI against the Saints was awful. Peyton was making a statement on his first PI challenge, the referees were making a statement with that reversal call. It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it. And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists. What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review. neugey, st thomas, Garry42 and 1 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-25-2019, 08:07 AM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Is It Clear? Originally Posted by burningmetal It's clear to me that Riveron and his people have no intention of allowing the new "rule" to stick. They almost NEVER overturn anything. It was never stated, originally, that ONLY the most egregious of missed calls would be overturned. But that's the way they've attempted to interpret it. And yet, they overturned a call, going AGAINST the Saints. I'm not one to get conspiratorial, but to me that was the officials taking a shot at the Saints because, probably in their minds, the Saints are the reason this "rule" exists. What I don't understand is why is THIS so upsetting or "embarrassing" to officials? Everyone seems to be in agreement that Al Riveron doesn't want to embarrass his crews by subjecting them to having to overturn PI calls, but ALL replays have the same effect, do they not? It just makes no sense why there has been such an utter rejection to getting PI calls right, just as is the purpose for any other review. Cam was embarrassed by what happened he will bring it back together . The little twerp QBs dramatic help pull the flag from the a hole that was standing next to him. It seemed that crew had it in for us but read on—-The flags galore yesterday was a testament that teams have been complaining about our online . It started early in the season then lulled then came back again . When your best left tackle goes down guess what there eyeing us more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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