Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers

Rsanders24 · 11-25-2019, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Whoa whoa whoa. Dude AK is awesome. He's been injured. Still one of the most dynamic backs in the league.

Hopefully this down season plays to our advantage. CMC is going to crush the RB salary when it's his time.

jeanpierre · 11-25-2019, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not sure what game you were watching, he tees off on PJ Williams who had about 200 yds and 2TDs hung on him today.

This one...

Notice there are two Williams getting smoked; PJ's not a normal starter, but Mr. Marcus has had a 90.0+ PFF grade and should never have allowed that WR to get behind him...

Now if you go back and watch the play on NFLN, Marcus commits, then Allen keys off of that bite and goes the other way, catching Mr. Marcus out of position - just as I stated in my post...

And if you hear Romo's analysis, he tells you exactly what happened...

Crusader · 11-25-2019, 05:54 AM

Michael Thomas on Preparation Paying Off after Win vs Panthers \| New Orleans Saints Football - YouTube

Some great stuff in there from Thomas. I love listening to him. You can hear how confident he is but still there is no bragging or nothing of that sort.

hitta · 11-25-2019, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not sure what game you were watching, he tees off on PJ Williams who had about 200 yds and 2TDs hung on him today.

Yup, and then we had to compensate, which allowed McCaffrey to get those short passes over and over again to move the sticks. Lattimore is so important to our defense. When he's in there it shifts everything..the linebackers play different, the pass rush is different. We kept getting caught between trying to stop Moore and McCaffrey . It was like we were trying to play a game of whack a mole today. If Lattimore is there, they can't do what they did to us today. They would still have decent games, because McCaffrey is a beast.. but we could play the sticks a lot better.

I'm not sure when Lattimore is supposed to be back, but Atlanta is going to be a really tough game if he's not playing. A lot of casual fans get too caught up in seeing scores and trying to correlate things. (Team X beat Team Y by 30 points, and Team Z only beat Team Y by a FG.. therefore Team X is better). Football doesn't work like this. Football is matchups, and with Lattimore out we are losing matchups we normally win.

Garry42 · 11-25-2019, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yep, when your best player makes the stupidest play, it's gonna be a long day...

I'd also add, while it was obvious to Saints fans what he was trying to do, NFL optics could have had him ejected, and worse!

I watched the replay a number of times. It could have easily been an ejection call. Even with my Saints bias, it was close and intention could have been seriously questioned. I'm a huge Cam fan, but I can't say it was totally innocent.

TheOak · 11-25-2019, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it. Saw a video earlier of the game winning FG and Kamara’s walking to the locker room as it’s being kicked and doesn’t look like he cares that it was made.

I wouldn't read too deeply into that. I say that as I read deeply into that lol....

Kamara's job was done and Lutz is a pretty sure thing... Sean may have sent him to the locker-room to start icing with a Thursday game this week. I am still not convinced that Kamara is 100%, the second half utilization did help my confidence but with injuries to both knee and ankle who knows which one is or isnt 100%. Injured Knees and ankles need ice to prevent swelling.

TheOak · 11-25-2019, 07:51 AM

I think moving forward all 'observation' threads should be re-titled 'interpretation'.

cars4dylan · 11-25-2019, 08:30 AM

PJ Williams is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE in coverage...GAAAAAAAARRRRRRBAGE!

That stated, he's damn good in the box and hits well at the line of scrimmage.

I'm thinking that CJ G-J is not showing well in practice or at the whiteboard for the coaches. But when the lights turn on he's better than PJ! And I doubt he'd let a WR just run right by knowing the Safety is on the other side of the field and not on his side covering deep.

That Ref and his crew...WORSE than PJ in coverage. Didn't think that was possible, for anything in the NFL to be as bad as PJ in coverage, but that guy proved me wrong.

The 4th and 1 conversion and that BS holding call where the DE falls over from diving to far and getting off balance and the LT touches him afterwards on top of his shoulder was ridiculous.

ChrisXVI · 11-25-2019, 08:34 AM

K Major · 11-25-2019, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Ginn needs to see the bench or the unemployment line.

It's difficult to watch him hurt our team near enough every week.

We don't have the luxury of benching him.

But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR.

There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position.

11-25-2019, 12:03 AM	#31
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by jnormand Whoa whoa whoa. Dude AK is awesome. He's been injured. Still one of the most dynamic backs in the league. Hopefully this down season plays to our advantage. CMC is going to crush the RB salary when it's his time.

11-25-2019, 12:38 AM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by blackangold Not sure what game you were watching, he tees off on PJ Williams who had about 200 yds and 2TDs hung on him today. This one... Twitter Notice there are two Williams getting smoked; PJ's not a normal starter, but Mr. Marcus has had a 90.0+ PFF grade and should never have allowed that WR to get behind him... Now if you go back and watch the play on NFLN, Marcus commits, then Allen keys off of that bite and goes the other way, catching Mr. Marcus out of position - just as I stated in my post... And if you hear Romo's analysis, he tells you exactly what happened...

11-25-2019, 06:17 AM	#34
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by blackangold Not sure what game you were watching, he tees off on PJ Williams who had about 200 yds and 2TDs hung on him today. Yup, and then we had to compensate, which allowed McCaffrey to get those short passes over and over again to move the sticks. Lattimore is so important to our defense. When he's in there it shifts everything..the linebackers play different, the pass rush is different. We kept getting caught between trying to stop Moore and McCaffrey . It was like we were trying to play a game of whack a mole today. If Lattimore is there, they can't do what they did to us today. They would still have decent games, because McCaffrey is a beast.. but we could play the sticks a lot better. I'm not sure when Lattimore is supposed to be back, but Atlanta is going to be a really tough game if he's not playing. A lot of casual fans get too caught up in seeing scores and trying to correlate things. (Team X beat Team Y by 30 points, and Team Z only beat Team Y by a FG.. therefore Team X is better). Football doesn't work like this. Football is matchups, and with Lattimore out we are losing matchups we normally win. 73Saint likes this.
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11-25-2019, 07:32 AM	#35
Garry42 Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 785	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yep, when your best player makes the stupidest play, it's gonna be a long day... I'd also add, while it was obvious to Saints fans what he was trying to do, NFL optics could have had him ejected, and worse! I watched the replay a number of times. It could have easily been an ejection call. Even with my Saints bias, it was close and intention could have been seriously questioned. I'm a huge Cam fan, but I can't say it was totally innocent.

11-25-2019, 07:49 AM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it. Saw a video earlier of the game winning FG and Kamara’s walking to the locker room as it’s being kicked and doesn’t look like he cares that it was made. I wouldn't read too deeply into that. I say that as I read deeply into that lol.... Kamara's job was done and Lutz is a pretty sure thing... Sean may have sent him to the locker-room to start icing with a Thursday game this week. I am still not convinced that Kamara is 100%, the second half utilization did help my confidence but with injuries to both knee and ankle who knows which one is or isnt 100%. Injured Knees and ankles need ice to prevent swelling. SmashMouth and ChrisXVI like this.

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11-25-2019, 07:51 AM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers I think moving forward all 'observation' threads should be re-titled 'interpretation'. Danno likes this.

11-25-2019, 08:30 AM	#38
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers PJ Williams is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE in coverage...GAAAAAAAARRRRRRBAGE! That stated, he's damn good in the box and hits well at the line of scrimmage. I'm thinking that CJ G-J is not showing well in practice or at the whiteboard for the coaches. But when the lights turn on he's better than PJ! And I doubt he'd let a WR just run right by knowing the Safety is on the other side of the field and not on his side covering deep. That Ref and his crew...WORSE than PJ in coverage. Didn't think that was possible, for anything in the NFL to be as bad as PJ in coverage, but that guy proved me wrong. The 4th and 1 conversion and that BS holding call where the DE falls over from diving to far and getting off balance and the LT touches him afterwards on top of his shoulder was ridiculous.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Ginn needs to see the bench or the unemployment line. It's difficult to watch him hurt our team near enough every week. We don't have the luxury of benching him. But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR. There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position. Rsanders24 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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