Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers

SmashMouth · 11-25-2019, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

We don't have the luxury of benching him.

But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR.

There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position.

Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too.

jeanpierre · 11-25-2019, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too.

A good football business argument could be made to have cut Ginn, kept Cyril Grayson...

Even if he ran the correct routes and still dropped the ball he'd be an improvement over what Ginn is giving in terms of effort, results...

And Grayson really is faster than everyone else and can back it up and would likely show up for a challenge unlike Ginn...

Rsanders24 · 11-25-2019, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A good football business argument could be made to have cut Ginn, kept Cyril Grayson...

Even if he ran the correct routes and still dropped the ball he'd be an improvement over what Ginn is giving in terms of effort, results...

And Grayson really is faster than everyone else and can back it up and would likely show up for a challenge unlike Ginn...

And also contribute on special teams with returns. We wouldn't have Kamara back there if we had Grayson.

K Major · 11-25-2019, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too.

In my mind and having watched him in training camp .. CG knew the playbook & was lining up correctly pre snap + he's a damn burner with world class speed. C'mon coach, you can't use this guy in that offense?

I know he had a few "mishaps" on covering punts @ t/camp but certainly I would have liked to see him more involved with this offense.

Anyway .. "we're on to Atlanta"

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TheOak · 11-26-2019, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

We don't have the luxury of benching him.

But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR.

There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position.

Help me with this one brother. I understand what you are thinking but not sure you have thought it through?

Ginn is a speed guy, that’s why he’s on the roster, problem is that he isn’t a hands receiver and nearly all of his catches are body catches. Now run through the mechanics in your head, long ball.... how in the **** do we have a body catching speed guy.... how do you hit a body catcher in stride with a long ball? I’m not completely convinced Drew isn’t aware of this and shorts him on occasion to force a body catch. Ginn should be limited to crossing routes where he can get separation and body catch.

All of that said, if he can’t catch then why can’t you bench him? It’s not like we need his hands.

jeanpierre · 11-24-2019, 07:32 PM

Thought we should have run Murray between the tackles more and use Kamara off-tackle and in the flats as Carolina had with CMC...
One of the ingredients to an elite team is you have to be six-seven deep on the offensive line, and with Armstead going down, that was highlighted...
Ted Ginn is one of the most over-rated players in the NFL; 34 yo WR that can't run routes nor have reliable hands, never mind age/speed thing...
The priorities for re-signing/extending on defense should be Apple, Onyemata, Mr. Marcus, Vonn Bell, Rankins; Apple is responding to Glenn's coaching...
Speaking of, expect Glenn and Gardner to have some quality time after practice this week, Glenn looked displeased, especially with a sideline scrum...
Really don't like giving Payton the excuse of failure with poor officiating, but today was clearly one-sided, skewed against the Saints...
No folks think it came back to haunt us, but I like that Payton challenged early and called BS on some of these bogus offensive PI calls...
Thomas continues to show his contract was money well-spent; even more so when against the backdrop of the other no-show WRs on this roster...
Speaking of money well-spent, Lutz continues to distance the painful memory of losing games because of suspect place kicking...

ChrisXVI · 11-24-2019, 08:02 PM

Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it. Saw a video earlier of the game winning FG and Kamara’s walking to the locker room as it’s being kicked and doesn’t look like he cares that it was made.

K Major · 11-24-2019, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it.

His ankle probably isn't 100%.

More reason to pound Murray late in ball games.

blackangold · 11-24-2019, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

His ankle probably isn't 100%.

More reason to pound Murray late in ball games.

AK hasn’t looked good running the ball, they really need to get Murray more carries. He is the better back running the ball. Let AK do his 3rd down and passing down thing.

Really haven’t been impressed with AK this year, makes me doubt he should be signed to a blockbuster deal. Can’t afford to pay everyone, and RBs are the easiest to replace.

jnormand · 11-24-2019, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

AK hasn’t looked good running the ball, they really need to get Murray more carries. He is the better back running the ball. Let AK do his 3rd down and passing down thing.

Really haven’t been impressed with AK this year, makes me doubt he should be signed to a blockbuster deal. Can’t afford to pay everyone, and RBs are the easiest to replace.

Whoa whoa whoa. Dude AK is awesome. He's been injured. Still one of the most dynamic backs in the league.

11-25-2019, 09:13 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,553 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major We don't have the luxury of benching him. But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR. There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position. Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too. Rsanders24 and jeanpierre like this.

11-25-2019, 09:35 AM	#3
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by jeanpierre A good football business argument could be made to have cut Ginn, kept Cyril Grayson... Even if he ran the correct routes and still dropped the ball he'd be an improvement over what Ginn is giving in terms of effort, results... And Grayson really is faster than everyone else and can back it up and would likely show up for a challenge unlike Ginn... And also contribute on special teams with returns. We wouldn't have Kamara back there if we had Grayson. K Major and MarchingOn like this.

11-26-2019, 03:38 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major We don't have the luxury of benching him. But many were content that this team does not need a #2, 3 or hell #4 WR. There is Michael Thomas & a bunch of bodies running around at WR. Cook has shown up though at the TE position. Help me with this one brother. I understand what you are thinking but not sure you have thought it through? Ginn is a speed guy, that’s why he’s on the roster, problem is that he isn’t a hands receiver and nearly all of his catches are body catches. Now run through the mechanics in your head, long ball.... how in the **** do we have a body catching speed guy.... how do you hit a body catcher in stride with a long ball? I’m not completely convinced Drew isn’t aware of this and shorts him on occasion to force a body catch. Ginn should be limited to crossing routes where he can get separation and body catch. All of that said, if he can’t catch then why can’t you bench him? It’s not like we need his hands.
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11-24-2019, 07:32 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers *Thought we should have run Murray between the tackles more* and use Kamara off-tackle and in the flats as Carolina had with CMC... One of the ingredients to an elite team is you have to be six-seven deep on the offensive line, and with Armstead going down, that was highlighted... Ted Ginn is one of the most over-rated players in the NFL; 34 yo WR that can't run routes nor have reliable hands, never mind age/speed thing... The priorities for re-signing/extending on defense should be Apple, Onyemata, Mr. Marcus, Vonn Bell, Rankins; Apple is responding to Glenn's coaching... Speaking of, expect Glenn and Gardner to have some quality time after practice this week, Glenn looked displeased, especially with a sideline scrum... Really don't like giving Payton the excuse of failure with poor officiating, but today was clearly one-sided, skewed against the Saints... No folks think it came back to haunt us, but I like that Payton challenged early and called BS on some of these bogus offensive PI calls... Thomas continues to show his contract was money well-spent; even more so when against the backdrop of the other no-show WRs on this roster... Speaking of money well-spent, Lutz continues to distance the painful memory of losing games because of suspect place kicking...** Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-24-2019, 08:02 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it. Saw a video earlier of the game winning FG and Kamara’s walking to the locker room as it’s being kicked and doesn’t look like he cares that it was made.

11-25-2019, 09:33 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by SmashMouth Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too. A good football business argument could be made to have cut Ginn, kept Cyril Grayson... Even if he ran the correct routes and still dropped the ball he'd be an improvement over what Ginn is giving in terms of effort, results... And Grayson really is faster than everyone else and can back it up and would likely show up for a challenge unlike Ginn... SmashMouth likes this.

11-25-2019, 10:21 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by SmashMouth Meanwhile Grayson is still out there. He's probably hungrier too. In my mind and having watched him in training camp .. CG knew the playbook & was lining up correctly pre snap + he's a damn burner with world class speed. C'mon coach, you can't use this guy in that offense? I know he had a few "mishaps" on covering punts @ t/camp but certainly I would have liked to see him more involved with this offense. Anyway .. "we're on to Atlanta" .

11-24-2019, 09:22 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Something’s not quite right with Kamara and I can’t put my finger on it. His ankle probably isn't 100%. More reason to pound Murray late in ball games. jnormand likes this.

11-24-2019, 09:30 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major His ankle probably isn't 100%. More reason to pound Murray late in ball games. AK hasn’t looked good running the ball, they really need to get Murray more carries. He is the better back running the ball. Let AK do his 3rd down and passing down thing. Really haven’t been impressed with AK this year, makes me doubt he should be signed to a blockbuster deal. Can’t afford to pay everyone, and RBs are the easiest to replace.

11-24-2019, 09:57 PM	#10
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Observations from the Saints win over the Panthers Originally Posted by blackangold AK hasn’t looked good running the ball, they really need to get Murray more carries. He is the better back running the ball. Let AK do his 3rd down and passing down thing. Really haven’t been impressed with AK this year, makes me doubt he should be signed to a blockbuster deal. Can’t afford to pay everyone, and RBs are the easiest to replace. Whoa whoa whoa. Dude AK is awesome. He's been injured. Still one of the most dynamic backs in the league. Rsanders24 and Saint in Aus like this.

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