Wide Reciever

st thomas · 11-30-2019, 09:44 AM

What wide reciever will be there at 27 or 28 because it won’t be at 32. This is getting ridiculous . With Patton calling the shots . It’s ok to be stubborn but hard headed is another story. Jees

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 10:09 AM

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

They have tremendous chemistry. There's so many times I'm watching the film and I'm going "Oh man he's got an easy throw with a corner off to the right. He's got press on Michael Thomas. He's like "forget the easy one". This is the easy one over here because he catches everything I throw to him.

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

st thomas · 11-30-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots.
Tell that to MT he’s who he is because he was passed in the first round. And Kurt is a nice analyst be calling bs on that he just targets MT when drives stalled on our first drives or half a season was because
A— MT triple covered
B— tre Smith who is he)terrible out of a break can’t shake a cold
C— tre Smith hurt half a season
D—ted ginn is Ted ginn
E—cook needs to sell in
F—AK not counting beat up is getting gun shy
G — 10 wr wanta bes on practice squad
1 wr is great for stats did it Carry us to the super bowl last season no.

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots.

I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas:

Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquan Treadwell
Sterling Shepard

For the most part, that's just yuck.

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 11-30-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas:

Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquan Treadwell
Sterling Shepard

For the most part, that's just yuck.

SFIAH

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-30-2019, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

The guys we have now have Coach Curtis' schooling and the Thomas support system, and yet here we are.

I just see this discussion as just about as important as the 5th linebacker on special teams. An important job for sure. But simply not enough work to justify all the discussion.

SFIAH

ScottF · 11-30-2019, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

That argument goes both ways:
Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better?

The Dude · 11-30-2019, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

Because we get zero production out of the 2nd 3rd and 4th wr position as it stands.
I don’t think it’s as crucial of a problem as some. The deficit can be overcome by playing smart balanced football. Leave the deep plays out of the playbook and use short passes and screens. Payton seems to still want to go for the home run but the pieces aren’t there anymore.

Thursday’s drops could have been more of a timing issue than anything else. Brees said he sped up the tempo to help the offensive line. Maybe the receivers just misjudged ball placement?

burningmetal · 12-05-2019, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

What I don't understand about your post is why you make it sound like, other than drops, Ginn and Cook and Smith are perfectly fine. They aren't.

The focus of your argument obviously centers around what Kurt Warner said, but Kurt Warner, from my perspective, appears to be speaking out of his butt on this one.

Because, I get it, if Mike is open, why throw anywhere else? You don't. But he's not open on every single play. If he were, he'd have about 3,000 receiving yards right now. And a lot of his catches are short yardage, hence the low average per catch. That's not a criticism of Mike, but rather an indictment on the offense, as a whole.

These guys are not getting open downfield and creating opportunities. There shouldn't have to be so many checkdown throws. I'm not saying you go get a WR in the first round, but you better get one somewhere.

Rugby Saint II · 12-05-2019, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What I don't understand about your post is why you make it sound like, other than drops, Ginn and Cook and Smith are perfectly fine. They aren't.

The focus of your argument obviously centers around what Kurt Warner said, but Kurt Warner, from my perspective, appears to be speaking out of his butt on this one.

Because, I get it, if Mike is open, why throw anywhere else? You don't. But he's not open on every single play. If he were, he'd have about 3,000 receiving yards right now. And a lot of his catches are short yardage, hence the low average per catch. That's not a criticism of Mike, but rather an indictment on the offense, as a whole.

These guys are not getting open downfield and creating opportunities. There shouldn't have to be so many checkdown throws. I'm not saying you go get a WR in the first round, but you better get one somewhere early in the draft. No more unreasonable expectations for UDFA's.

FIFY

11-30-2019, 09:44 AM	#1
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Wide Reciever What wide reciever will be there at 27 or 28 because it won’t be at 32. This is getting ridiculous . With Patton calling the shots . It’s ok to be stubborn but hard headed is another story. Jees Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-30-2019, 10:09 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Wide Reciever I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: They have tremendous chemistry. There's so many times I'm watching the film and I'm going "Oh man he's got an easy throw with a corner off to the right. He's got press on Michael Thomas. He's like "forget the easy one". This is the easy one over here because he catches everything I throw to him. This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Beastmode, cmike and SaintGnome like this.
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11-30-2019, 10:27 AM	#3
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots. Tell that to MT he’s who he is because he was passed in the first round. And Kurt is a nice analyst be calling bs on that he just targets MT when drives stalled on our first drives or half a season was because A— MT triple covered B— tre Smith who is he)terrible out of a break can’t shake a cold C— tre Smith hurt half a season D—ted ginn is Ted ginn E—cook needs to sell in F—AK not counting beat up is getting gun shy G — 10 wr wanta bes on practice squad 1 wr is great for stats did it Carry us to the super bowl last season no. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-30-2019, 11:05 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by st thomas Our first rd we draft picks were so long ago and were picked by idiots. I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas: Corey Coleman Will Fuller Josh Doctson Laquan Treadwell Sterling Shepard For the most part, that's just yuck. SFIAH

11-30-2019, 11:10 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I wasn't talking about Saints 1st round picks. In 2016 here are WR in the 1st and 2nd rounds picked before Thomas: Corey Coleman Will Fuller Josh Doctson Laquan Treadwell Sterling Shepard For the most part, that's just yuck. SFIAH But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either...

11-30-2019, 12:31 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by jeanpierre But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either... The guys we have now have Coach Curtis' schooling and the Thomas support system, and yet here we are. I just see this discussion as just about as important as the 5th linebacker on special teams. An important job for sure. But simply not enough work to justify all the discussion. SFIAH ScottF and SaintGnome like this.

11-30-2019, 01:37 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by jeanpierre But those guys don't have Coach Curtis' schooling, nor Thomas' support system either... That argument goes both ways: Is Thomas great because or Curtis? If so, why aren't Ginn, Carr, Arnold, Smith, et al better? SaintFanInATLHELL, dizzle88 and st thomas like this.

11-30-2019, 10:33 AM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH Because we get zero production out of the 2nd 3rd and 4th wr position as it stands. I don’t think it’s as crucial of a problem as some. The deficit can be overcome by playing smart balanced football. Leave the deep plays out of the playbook and use short passes and screens. Payton seems to still want to go for the home run but the pieces aren’t there anymore. Thursday’s drops could have been more of a timing issue than anything else. Brees said he sped up the tempo to help the offensive line. Maybe the receivers just misjudged ball placement?
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12-05-2019, 08:53 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday. What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends. I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas: This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?" BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else. Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth. All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game. SFIAH What I don't understand about your post is why you make it sound like, other than drops, Ginn and Cook and Smith are perfectly fine. They aren't. The focus of your argument obviously centers around what Kurt Warner said, but Kurt Warner, from my perspective, appears to be speaking out of his butt on this one. Because, I get it, if Mike is open, why throw anywhere else? You don't. But he's not open on every single play. If he were, he'd have about 3,000 receiving yards right now. And a lot of his catches are short yardage, hence the low average per catch. That's not a criticism of Mike, but rather an indictment on the offense, as a whole. These guys are not getting open downfield and creating opportunities. There shouldn't have to be so many checkdown throws. I'm not saying you go get a WR in the first round, but you better get one somewhere. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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12-05-2019, 11:59 AM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Wide Reciever Originally Posted by burningmetal What I don't understand about your post is why you make it sound like, other than drops, Ginn and Cook and Smith are perfectly fine. They aren't. The focus of your argument obviously centers around what Kurt Warner said, but Kurt Warner, from my perspective, appears to be speaking out of his butt on this one. Because, I get it, if Mike is open, why throw anywhere else? You don't. But he's not open on every single play. If he were, he'd have about 3,000 receiving yards right now. And a lot of his catches are short yardage, hence the low average per catch. That's not a criticism of Mike, but rather an indictment on the offense, as a whole. These guys are not getting open downfield and creating opportunities. There shouldn't have to be so many checkdown throws. I'm not saying you go get a WR in the first round, but you better get one somewhere early in the draft. No more unreasonable expectations for UDFA's. FIFY