ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency

foreverfan · 12-05-2019, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

lmfao you sum phin else.

Not me... You mean Smashmouth.

The Dude · 12-06-2019, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Personally, I never saw Romo as the problem in Dallas.

Me either, like Rivers he was grossly underrated.

TheOak · 12-06-2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Personally, I never saw Romo as the problem in Dallas.

The list of what is not the problem in Dallas is much longer than the list of what is that just has Jerry's name on it. Romo was never the problem in Dallas, hes now a ****ing problem on my TV... his voice is like a herd of cats on a chalk board and he doesn't know that TV is not radio and shutting his cock holster once in a while would be appreciated.

TheOak · 12-06-2019, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I believe if he had Romo then Romo would have a ring. I feel the same way about Stafford. Cousins? Maybe not. Garoppolo? Not sure. But I believe Sean Payton would get the most out of Cam Newton. He’s a Heisman winning, Rookie of the Year awarded, former league MVP who’s been to a Super Bowl and has had a successful career with a defensive minded coach.

Totally agree on the skill sets and its not his talent that holds Cam back. Cam is a slave to his emotions and while there are times that being that works to his advantage Sean Payton is a lot like Yoda and isnt willing to work with just anyone.

Sean has a type and its not Cam Newton.. None of these guys are self serving show boats that want spotlight.
Drew Brees
Teddy Bridgewater
Taysom Hill
Luke McCown
Marc Brunell

Sean is the same way with receivers.. Jimmy was a spectacle after a TD with the dunk but put a mic in front of him and he is subdued and articulate. Colston, Thomas, Kamara, Ingram... none are flamboyant publicly.

Here is one I heard come out of Cam's mouth: "You look good, you play good; you play good, they pay good" I've so much to say about that statement lol

You may not realize it but Cam is often injured... Since 2016 he has only had one 16 game season. I will give him this though, when he is healthy the Panthers record is a whole lot better than if he doesn't start 16...

subguy · 12-06-2019, 08:11 AM

Never once have I seen Drew laugh, sulk, cover his head in a towel after he made a turnover. It is not always about physical talent, but leadership is a huge part. None of our QB's dress like the Mad Hatter for a presser, especially not after a loss.

44Champs · 12-06-2019, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The list of what is not the problem in Dallas is much longer than the list of what is that just has Jerry's name on it. Romo was never the problem in Dallas, hes now a ****ing problem on my TV... his voice is like a herd of cats on a chalk board and he doesn't know that TV is not radio and shutting his cock holster once in a while would be appreciated.

I think Romo's THE best analyst on TV. I get the voice thing, but his commentary is right on, and 9 out of 10 times he predicts the play before they even run it. He's a pretty smart guy.

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rezburna · 12-06-2019, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Totally agree on the skill sets and its not his talent that holds Cam back. Cam is a slave to his emotions and while there are times that being that works to his advantage Sean Payton is a lot like Yoda and isnt willing to work with just anyone.

Sean has a type and its not Cam Newton.. None of these guys are self serving show boats that want spotlight.
Drew Brees
Teddy Bridgewater
Taysom Hill
Luke McCown
Marc Brunell

Sean is the same way with receivers.. Jimmy was a spectacle after a TD with the dunk but put a mic in front of him and he is subdued and articulate. Colston, Thomas, Kamara, Ingram... none are flamboyant publicly.

Here is one I heard come out of Cam's mouth: "You look good, you play good; you play good, they pay good" I've so much to say about that statement lol

You may not realize it but Cam is often injured... Since 2016 he has only had one 16 game season. I will give him this though, when he is healthy the Panthers record is a whole lot better than if he doesn't start 16...

Honestly, I feel like Thomas, Kamara, and Ingram are similar to Cam Newton personality wise. Sean Payton just has great control of his locker room. This is more about my trust in Sean Payton than it is my belief in the attitude of Cam Newton. I think your point is the most valid in regards to injury concerns. I think the media has made a bigger deal about his “leadership” than it really is. I’ve never really heard teammates or ex-teammates speak bad of Newton, and when they went to the Super Bowl it was because he led them there. He’s a proven winner at every level.

Cam Newton has said some things that have made me lose respect for him as a person. However, I can’t act like I wouldn’t be willing to take a chance on him as a football player, especially if Teddy decides he wants to be somewhere else. I believe the future is now and quarterbacks who can move are the pathway.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Carson Wentz
Dak Prescott

That added threat is the wave. It’s the real reason Joe Burrow is thriving at LSU in my opinion and why he will do the same at the next level. The kid can do both.

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2019, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Honestly, I feel like Thomas, Kamara, and Ingram are similar to Cam Newton personality wise. Sean Payton just has great control of his locker room. This is more about my trust in Sean Payton than it is my belief in the attitude of Cam Newton. I think your point is the most valid in regards to injury concerns. I think the media has made a bigger deal about his “leadership” than it really is. I’ve never really heard teammates or ex-teammates speak bad of Newton, and when they went to the Super Bowl it was because he led them there. He’s a proven winner at every level.

Cam Newton has said some things that have made me lose respect for him as a person. However, I can’t act like I wouldn’t be willing to take a chance on him as a football player, especially if Teddy decides he wants to be somewhere else. I believe the future is now and quarterbacks who can move are the pathway.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Carson Wentz
Dak Prescott

That added threat is the wave. It’s the real reason Joe Burrow is thriving at LSU in my opinion and why he will do the same at the next level. The kid can do both.

What else does most of those QB's have in common? Injuries. I expect that all of these QB's will have much shorter careers than the more conventional QB types.

rezburna · 12-06-2019, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What else does most of those QB's have in common? Injuries. I expect that all of these QB's will have much shorter careers than the more conventional QB types.

The only ones that are really injury prone are Wentz and Watson. The Brees, Brady’s, and Manning’s who play until they’re 40 aren’t the norm anyway. I’ll take a good 5-8 years of high level play. That’s one big contract and you move on.

burningmetal · 12-06-2019, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The only ones that are really injury prone are Wentz and Watson. The Brees, Brady’s, and Manning’s who play until they’re 40 aren’t the norm anyway. I’ll take a good 5-8 years of high level play. That’s one big contract and you move on.

The only reason guys playing that long aren't "the norm" is because elite QB's aren't the norm. Guys just aren't usually good enough to be in the league that long. But look at all of those who ARE (or were, for those who are retired) elite pocket passers. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Favre, Marino, Elway, Montana.

Those guys all played, or have been playing for a long time. The idea that you're going to go all in with a running QB for 5-8 year and move on is kind of insane. As hard as it is to find a good QB, why would you think you can find another every 5-8 years? It's better to just invest in your defense and sign game managers like Alex Smith, than to think you can bring in a franchise QB that often.

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by st thomas lmfao you sum phin else. Not me... You mean Smashmouth. st thomas likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by saintfan Personally, I never saw Romo as the problem in Dallas. The list of what is not the problem in Dallas is much longer than the list of what is that just has Jerry's name on it. Romo was never the problem in Dallas, hes now a ****ing problem on my TV... his voice is like a herd of cats on a chalk board and he doesn't know that TV is not radio and shutting his cock holster once in a while would be appreciated.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by rezburna I believe if he had Romo then Romo would have a ring. I feel the same way about Stafford. Cousins? Maybe not. Garoppolo? Not sure. But I believe Sean Payton would get the most out of Cam Newton. He’s a Heisman winning, Rookie of the Year awarded, former league MVP who’s been to a Super Bowl and has had a successful career with a defensive minded coach. Totally agree on the skill sets and its not his talent that holds Cam back. Cam is a slave to his emotions and while there are times that being that works to his advantage Sean Payton is a lot like Yoda and isnt willing to work with just anyone. Sean has a type and its not Cam Newton.. None of these guys are self serving show boats that want spotlight. Drew Brees Teddy Bridgewater Taysom Hill Luke McCown Marc Brunell Sean is the same way with receivers.. Jimmy was a spectacle after a TD with the dunk but put a mic in front of him and he is subdued and articulate. Colston, Thomas, Kamara, Ingram... none are flamboyant publicly. Here is one I heard come out of Cam's mouth: "You look good, you play good; you play good, they pay good" I've so much to say about that statement lol You may not realize it but Cam is often injured... Since 2016 he has only had one 16 game season. I will give him this though, when he is healthy the Panthers record is a whole lot better than if he doesn't start 16... 44Champs likes this.
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44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by TheOak The list of what is not the problem in Dallas is much longer than the list of what is that just has Jerry's name on it. Romo was never the problem in Dallas, hes now a ****ing problem on my TV... his voice is like a herd of cats on a chalk board and he doesn't know that TV is not radio and shutting his cock holster once in a while would be appreciated. I think Romo's THE best analyst on TV. I get the voice thing, but his commentary is right on, and 9 out of 10 times he predicts the play before they even run it. He's a pretty smart guy. XLIV CHAMPS jnormand likes this.
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12-06-2019, 11:34 AM	#67
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by TheOak Totally agree on the skill sets and its not his talent that holds Cam back. Cam is a slave to his emotions and while there are times that being that works to his advantage Sean Payton is a lot like Yoda and isnt willing to work with just anyone. Sean has a type and its not Cam Newton.. None of these guys are self serving show boats that want spotlight. Drew Brees Teddy Bridgewater Taysom Hill Luke McCown Marc Brunell Sean is the same way with receivers.. Jimmy was a spectacle after a TD with the dunk but put a mic in front of him and he is subdued and articulate. Colston, Thomas, Kamara, Ingram... none are flamboyant publicly. Here is one I heard come out of Cam's mouth: "You look good, you play good; you play good, they pay good" I've so much to say about that statement lol You may not realize it but Cam is often injured... Since 2016 he has only had one 16 game season. I will give him this though, when he is healthy the Panthers record is a whole lot better than if he doesn't start 16... Honestly, I feel like Thomas, Kamara, and Ingram are similar to Cam Newton personality wise. Sean Payton just has great control of his locker room. This is more about my trust in Sean Payton than it is my belief in the attitude of Cam Newton. I think your point is the most valid in regards to injury concerns. I think the media has made a bigger deal about his “leadership” than it really is. I’ve never really heard teammates or ex-teammates speak bad of Newton, and when they went to the Super Bowl it was because he led them there. He’s a proven winner at every level. Cam Newton has said some things that have made me lose respect for him as a person. However, I can’t act like I wouldn’t be willing to take a chance on him as a football player, especially if Teddy decides he wants to be somewhere else. I believe the future is now and quarterbacks who can move are the pathway. Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson Patrick Mahomes Carson Wentz Dak Prescott That added threat is the wave. It’s the real reason Joe Burrow is thriving at LSU in my opinion and why he will do the same at the next level. The kid can do both.
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12-06-2019, 01:45 PM	#68
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,215	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by rezburna Honestly, I feel like Thomas, Kamara, and Ingram are similar to Cam Newton personality wise. Sean Payton just has great control of his locker room. This is more about my trust in Sean Payton than it is my belief in the attitude of Cam Newton. I think your point is the most valid in regards to injury concerns. I think the media has made a bigger deal about his “leadership” than it really is. I’ve never really heard teammates or ex-teammates speak bad of Newton, and when they went to the Super Bowl it was because he led them there. He’s a proven winner at every level. Cam Newton has said some things that have made me lose respect for him as a person. However, I can’t act like I wouldn’t be willing to take a chance on him as a football player, especially if Teddy decides he wants to be somewhere else. I believe the future is now and quarterbacks who can move are the pathway. Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson Patrick Mahomes Carson Wentz Dak Prescott That added threat is the wave. It’s the real reason Joe Burrow is thriving at LSU in my opinion and why he will do the same at the next level. The kid can do both. What else does most of those QB's have in common? Injuries. I expect that all of these QB's will have much shorter careers than the more conventional QB types.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What else does most of those QB's have in common? Injuries. I expect that all of these QB's will have much shorter careers than the more conventional QB types. The only ones that are really injury prone are Wentz and Watson. The Brees, Brady’s, and Manning’s who play until they’re 40 aren’t the norm anyway. I’ll take a good 5-8 years of high level play. That’s one big contract and you move on.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN senior writer says Saints are a 'wild card' if Cam Newton tests free agency Originally Posted by rezburna The only ones that are really injury prone are Wentz and Watson. The Brees, Brady’s, and Manning’s who play until they’re 40 aren’t the norm anyway. I’ll take a good 5-8 years of high level play. That’s one big contract and you move on. The only reason guys playing that long aren't "the norm" is because elite QB's aren't the norm. Guys just aren't usually good enough to be in the league that long. But look at all of those who ARE (or were, for those who are retired) elite pocket passers. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Favre, Marino, Elway, Montana. Those guys all played, or have been playing for a long time. The idea that you're going to go all in with a running QB for 5-8 year and move on is kind of insane. As hard as it is to find a good QB, why would you think you can find another every 5-8 years? It's better to just invest in your defense and sign game managers like Alex Smith, than to think you can bring in a franchise QB that often.
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