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Old 02-11-2020, 05:48 PM   #231
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You've likely read his scouting reports because that's the fatal flaw in his game, inability to get off the LOS and create separation...
For whatever reason UT WR's excel down in Austin, however once they hit the league brick wall.

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For whatever reason UT WR's excel down in Austin, however once they hit the league brick wall.

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Jordan H (work in progress)
Level of competition. Nearly all the big CBs are in the SEC, OSU, FSU and MIA-FL...

In the NFL, big CBs every single week...
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Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Draft Simulator (As Posted To My Blog)

Second Run, and can honestly say, if this happened, it'd be as close as the Saints winning the SuperBowl feeling I could have; did this run assuming we sign Scherff in Free Agency...

Again, the three biggest needs I'm looking to address for the 2020 Saints Draft at this point is WR-Z, CB2, and LB...

So right as things kick off, the simulator sends me a very plausible offer and the one I'd really like to see happen...

TRADE PARTNER: Indianapolis Colts send Pick No. 34 (R2, P2) and Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) to the Saints for Pick No. 24 (R1, P24)

Colts need to acquire starters, and the Saints need to start to add quality depth by acquiring multiple top 75 players and work to get that salary cap back down with rookie contracts - through the Draft...

So as Round 2 begins, the guy I want is still there, but several WRs are still on the board in this deep draft when an offer comes in to move back, again...

TRADE PARTNER: Arizona Cardinals send Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) and Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) to the Saints for Pick No. 34 (R2, P2)

This is a huge gamble as the one player I really want in this draft for the Saints, Jalen Raegor, the player that can reignite the offense is being left out there longer than I'd care to have, but the gambit pays off...

Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) WR Jalen Raegor, TCU; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 195 lbs.

No matter what happens in this draft, I have a player that may not grade out first round for many because of his size, but to the Saints Offense, he will be nitrous, and I turned one late first round pick into three top 75 picks...

Four picks later in the second round, I'm picking again, and there's some tempting offers, but Gladney just went off the board and the offers are from teams needing CB2; I apply the stiff arm on the offers and take my CB2...

Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) CB Cameron Dantzler, Miss State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 185 lbs.

Despite seeing TEs and LBs value, absolutely love this pick as Dantzler has started two full seasons in the SEC with impressive results; yeah, he's on the light side, but he's wirey-strong, and is an ideal CB2 with good length...

As Round 2 peels off, I see talent I'd love to have, but remain disciplined and wait to see what falls to the Saints in Round 3 - and there it is...

Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) TE Adam Trautman, Dayton; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 251 lbs.

Scouts are grading Trautman all over the place, but he's still raw, played at the FCS level, and will need time to learn to be a complete Tight End; with Jared Cook and Josh Hill to teach him, I've got the best TE corps in the NFL...

Now to get young Guard depth and it's still Round 3; Stenberg, is a nasty guard type I like, really stood out in one on ones in Mobile, he's trending up; but it's a long way to pick & Berendson's still there, Fortune favors me...

Pick No. 88 (R3, P24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; ; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 317 lbs.

Absolutely stoked at this point, can honestly say if this happened, I'd better have advanced directives in place 'cause this would be an absolute coup...

Day 2 is a success, now I can get to work on improving the back of the roster, adding players who have friendlier cap numbers and higher ceilings than what I have now...

Round 4 starts and somehow I've missed Clyde Edwards-Elaire, and just as I try to make a move to jump in front of the Panthers to take him, Chargers take him there, but keep him out of my division...

But the Raiders need help all over and they come calling...

TRADE PARTNER: Los Vegas Raiders send a Future Round 4 Pick and Pick send Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) to the Saints for Pick No. 127 (R4, P24)

Wow, now I've got two early Day 3 Picks for next year's draft and guys I'm liking are still there on the board, and I didn't have to move back that far; Round 5 gets to rolling along and another gift falls into my lap...

Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 241 lbs.

Why I like Logan Wilson? Like Carolina's Thomas Davis, Wilson is a former Safety converted to LineBacker, so while he's a smidgeon light now, he's fast, can cover, extremely instinctual, and is just a really smart linebacker...

Also, as I have a Wyoming connection already, there's that familiarity factor Sean Payton likes...

As I approach the Saints Round 5 default pick, many of the guys I've liked are now at the top of their respective position boards - I decide I want to split Aces and while I'm on the board, and two 4's next year, I call the Ravens...

TRADE PARTNER: New Orleans Saints send a Future Round 5 Pick and Pick No. 206 (R6, P24) to the Baltimore Ravens for Pick No. 170 (R5, P24)

I now have Back to back picks, and I control the draft, and I pull the trigger...

Pick No. 169 (R5, P23) FS Jordan Fuller, Ohio St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 205 lbs.

Pick No. 170 (R5, P24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 199 lbs.

Fuller is tremendous value because he will be an immediate plus-plus special teams contributor because of his athleticism, and I help Sean Payton maintain his love for all things Ohio State (maybe his dream job?)...

Gordon surprised in Mobile; and has actually played really well for Washington St. despite being only a one year starter as he backed up now Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew (Duval!); a great QB prospect caps the haul!

As Rounds 6 and 7 roll along, see other players I really like such as Illinois RB Reggie Corbin, Ole Miss DT Benito Jones and Virginia Tech TE Dalton Keene; while I did nothing, I'd probably jump back into the draft for Corbin...

Now the reality of the fantasy is this mock was done before compensatory picks are awarded for the 2020 NFL draft, so everything after Round 3 is definitely not yet fixed...

But my theory that teams loaded with Day 2 picks will want to move up in this draft and the Saints draft position needs are copasetic with many of the deeper positions of the draft...

Again, Shoup and the folks at Fanspeak are great people, it's a family effort, and they're gracious with their time in answering questions via Twitter...

For the inexpensive cost of the Premium Mode via PayPal, can honestly tell you if you love the NFL Draft, you'll find it both entertaining and enlightening in preparation of the Real NFL Draft...

Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Mock Draft Results - jeanpierre 2nd run
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:55 AM   #235
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Draft Simulator (As Posted To My Blog)

Second Run, and can honestly say, if this happened, it'd be as close as the Saints winning the SuperBowl feeling I could have; did this run assuming we sign Scherff in Free Agency...

Again, the three biggest needs I'm looking to address for the 2020 Saints Draft at this point is WR-Z, CB2, and LB...

So right as things kick off, the simulator sends me a very plausible offer and the one I'd really like to see happen...

TRADE PARTNER: Indianapolis Colts send Pick No. 34 (R2, P2) and Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) to the Saints for Pick No. 24 (R1, P24)

Colts need to acquire starters, and the Saints need to start to add quality depth by acquiring multiple top 75 players and work to get that salary cap back down with rookie contracts - through the Draft...

So as Round 2 begins, the guy I want is still there, but several WRs are still on the board in this deep draft when an offer comes in to move back, again...

TRADE PARTNER: Arizona Cardinals send Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) and Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) to the Saints for Pick No. 34 (R2, P2)

This is a huge gamble as the one player I really want in this draft for the Saints, Jalen Raegor, the player that can reignite the offense is being left out there longer than I'd care to have, but the gambit pays off...

Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) WR Jalen Raegor, TCU; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 195 lbs.

No matter what happens in this draft, I have a player that may not grade out first round for many because of his size, but to the Saints Offense, he will be nitrous, and I turned one late first round pick into three top 75 picks...

Four picks later in the second round, I'm picking again, and there's some tempting offers, but Gladney just went off the board and the offers are from teams needing CB2; I apply the stiff arm on the offers and take my CB2...

Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) CB Cameron Dantzler, Miss State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 185 lbs.

Despite seeing TEs and LBs value, absolutely love this pick as Dantzler has started two full seasons in the SEC with impressive results; yeah, he's on the light side, but he's wirey-strong, and is an ideal CB2 with good length...

As Round 2 peels off, I see talent I'd love to have, but remain disciplined and wait to see what falls to the Saints in Round 3 - and there it is...

Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) TE Adam Trautman, Dayton; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 251 lbs.

Scouts are grading Trautman all over the place, but he's still raw, played at the FCS level, and will need time to learn to be a complete Tight End; with Jared Cook and Josh Hill to teach him, I've got the best TE corps in the NFL...

Now to get young Guard depth and it's still Round 3; Stenberg, is a nasty guard type I like, really stood out in one on ones in Mobile, he's trending up; but it's a long way to pick & Berendson's still there, Fortune favors me...

Pick No. 88 (R3, P24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; ; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 317 lbs.

Absolutely stoked at this point, can honestly say if this happened, I'd better have advanced directives in place 'cause this would be an absolute coup...

Day 2 is a success, now I can get to work on improving the back of the roster, adding players who have friendlier cap numbers and higher ceilings than what I have now...

Round 4 starts and somehow I've missed Clyde Edwards-Elaire, and just as I try to make a move to jump in front of the Panthers to take him, Chargers take him there, but keep him out of my division...

But the Raiders need help all over and they come calling...

TRADE PARTNER: Los Vegas Raiders send a Future Round 4 Pick and Pick send Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) to the Saints for Pick No. 127 (R4, P24)

Wow, now I've got two early Day 3 Picks for next year's draft and guys I'm liking are still there on the board, and I didn't have to move back that far; Round 5 gets to rolling along and another gift falls into my lap...

Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 241 lbs.

Why I like Logan Wilson? Like Carolina's Thomas Davis, Wilson is a former Safety converted to LineBacker, so while he's a smidgeon light now, he's fast, can cover, extremely instinctual, and is just a really smart linebacker...

Also, as I have a Wyoming connection already, there's that familiarity factor Sean Payton likes...

As I approach the Saints Round 5 default pick, many of the guys I've liked are now at the top of their respective position boards - I decide I want to split Aces and while I'm on the board, and two 4's next year, I call the Ravens...

TRADE PARTNER: New Orleans Saints send a Future Round 5 Pick and Pick No. 206 (R6, P24) to the Baltimore Ravens for Pick No. 170 (R5, P24)

I now have Back to back picks, and I control the draft, and I pull the trigger...

Pick No. 169 (R5, P23) FS Jordan Fuller, Ohio St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 205 lbs.

Pick No. 170 (R5, P24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 199 lbs.

Fuller is tremendous value because he will be an immediate plus-plus special teams contributor because of his athleticism, and I help Sean Payton maintain his love for all things Ohio State (maybe his dream job?)...

Gordon surprised in Mobile; and has actually played really well for Washington St. despite being only a one year starter as he backed up now Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew (Duval!); a great QB prospect caps the haul!

As Rounds 6 and 7 roll along, see other players I really like such as Illinois RB Reggie Corbin, Ole Miss DT Benito Jones and Virginia Tech TE Dalton Keene; while I did nothing, I'd probably jump back into the draft for Corbin...

Now the reality of the fantasy is this mock was done before compensatory picks are awarded for the 2020 NFL draft, so everything after Round 3 is definitely not yet fixed...

But my theory that teams loaded with Day 2 picks will want to move up in this draft and the Saints draft position needs are copasetic with many of the deeper positions of the draft...

Again, Shoup and the folks at Fanspeak are great people, it's a family effort, and they're gracious with their time in answering questions via Twitter...

For the inexpensive cost of the Premium Mode via PayPal, can honestly tell you if you love the NFL Draft, you'll find it both entertaining and enlightening in preparation of the Real NFL Draft...

Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Mock Draft Results - jeanpierre 2nd run
Nice work there JP
JRaegor in the 2nd round huh?

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Old 02-12-2020, 07:58 AM   #236
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Shaquille Quarterman - LB U of Miami

Mid round guy I'd take a flyer on. We need to get faster (notice the CLOSING speed starting at 1:08) opposite Demario.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Draft Simulator (As Posted To My Blog)

Second Run, and can honestly say, if this happened, it'd be as close as the Saints winning the SuperBowl feeling I could have; did this run assuming we sign Scherff in Free Agency...

Again, the three biggest needs I'm looking to address for the 2020 Saints Draft at this point is WR-Z, CB2, and LB...

So right as things kick off, the simulator sends me a very plausible offer and the one I'd really like to see happen...

TRADE PARTNER: Indianapolis Colts send Pick No. 34 (R2, P2) and Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) to the Saints for Pick No. 24 (R1, P24)

Colts need to acquire starters, and the Saints need to start to add quality depth by acquiring multiple top 75 players and work to get that salary cap back down with rookie contracts - through the Draft...

So as Round 2 begins, the guy I want is still there, but several WRs are still on the board in this deep draft when an offer comes in to move back, again...

TRADE PARTNER: Arizona Cardinals send Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) and Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) to the Saints for Pick No. 34 (R2, P2)

This is a huge gamble as the one player I really want in this draft for the Saints, Jalen Raegor, the player that can reignite the offense is being left out there longer than I'd care to have, but the gambit pays off...

Pick No. 40 (R2, P8) WR Jalen Raegor, TCU; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 195 lbs.

No matter what happens in this draft, I have a player that may not grade out first round for many because of his size, but to the Saints Offense, he will be nitrous, and I turned one late first round pick into three top 75 picks...

Four picks later in the second round, I'm picking again, and there's some tempting offers, but Gladney just went off the board and the offers are from teams needing CB2; I apply the stiff arm on the offers and take my CB2...

Pick No. 44 (R2, P12) CB Cameron Dantzler, Miss State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 185 lbs.

Despite seeing TEs and LBs value, absolutely love this pick as Dantzler has started two full seasons in the SEC with impressive results; yeah, he's on the light side, but he's wirey-strong, and is an ideal CB2 with good length...

As Round 2 peels off, I see talent I'd love to have, but remain disciplined and wait to see what falls to the Saints in Round 3 - and there it is...

Pick No. 72 (R3, P8) TE Adam Trautman, Dayton; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 251 lbs.

Scouts are grading Trautman all over the place, but he's still raw, played at the FCS level, and will need time to learn to be a complete Tight End; with Jared Cook and Josh Hill to teach him, I've got the best TE corps in the NFL...

Now to get young Guard depth and it's still Round 3; Stenberg, is a nasty guard type I like, really stood out in one on ones in Mobile, he's trending up; but it's a long way to pick & Berendson's still there, Fortune favors me...

Pick No. 88 (R3, P24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; ; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 317 lbs.

Absolutely stoked at this point, can honestly say if this happened, I'd better have advanced directives in place 'cause this would be an absolute coup...

Day 2 is a success, now I can get to work on improving the back of the roster, adding players who have friendlier cap numbers and higher ceilings than what I have now...

Round 4 starts and somehow I've missed Clyde Edwards-Elaire, and just as I try to make a move to jump in front of the Panthers to take him, Chargers take him there, but keep him out of my division...

But the Raiders need help all over and they come calling...

TRADE PARTNER: Los Vegas Raiders send a Future Round 4 Pick and Pick send Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) to the Saints for Pick No. 127 (R4, P24)

Wow, now I've got two early Day 3 Picks for next year's draft and guys I'm liking are still there on the board, and I didn't have to move back that far; Round 5 gets to rolling along and another gift falls into my lap...

Pick No. 159 (R5, P13) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 241 lbs.

Why I like Logan Wilson? Like Carolina's Thomas Davis, Wilson is a former Safety converted to LineBacker, so while he's a smidgeon light now, he's fast, can cover, extremely instinctual, and is just a really smart linebacker...

Also, as I have a Wyoming connection already, there's that familiarity factor Sean Payton likes...

As I approach the Saints Round 5 default pick, many of the guys I've liked are now at the top of their respective position boards - I decide I want to split Aces and while I'm on the board, and two 4's next year, I call the Ravens...

TRADE PARTNER: New Orleans Saints send a Future Round 5 Pick and Pick No. 206 (R6, P24) to the Baltimore Ravens for Pick No. 170 (R5, P24)

I now have Back to back picks, and I control the draft, and I pull the trigger...

Pick No. 169 (R5, P23) FS Jordan Fuller, Ohio St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 205 lbs.

Pick No. 170 (R5, P24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 199 lbs.

Fuller is tremendous value because he will be an immediate plus-plus special teams contributor because of his athleticism, and I help Sean Payton maintain his love for all things Ohio State (maybe his dream job?)...

Gordon surprised in Mobile; and has actually played really well for Washington St. despite being only a one year starter as he backed up now Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew (Duval!); a great QB prospect caps the haul!

As Rounds 6 and 7 roll along, see other players I really like such as Illinois RB Reggie Corbin, Ole Miss DT Benito Jones and Virginia Tech TE Dalton Keene; while I did nothing, I'd probably jump back into the draft for Corbin...

Now the reality of the fantasy is this mock was done before compensatory picks are awarded for the 2020 NFL draft, so everything after Round 3 is definitely not yet fixed...

But my theory that teams loaded with Day 2 picks will want to move up in this draft and the Saints draft position needs are copasetic with many of the deeper positions of the draft...

Again, Shoup and the folks at Fanspeak are great people, it's a family effort, and they're gracious with their time in answering questions via Twitter...

For the inexpensive cost of the Premium Mode via PayPal, can honestly tell you if you love the NFL Draft, you'll find it both entertaining and enlightening in preparation of the Real NFL Draft...

Fanspeak On The Clock (Premium) Mock Draft Results - jeanpierre 2nd run
Really nice work. You and I both know Payton will do the polar opposite and trade up instead of down.
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JP -

I did a highlight reel on your guy - QB Anthony Gordon (Air Raid) a few days ago. Like that he has a baseball (Mets 35th rounder) background. That would somewhat explain the "quick football release" on him however scouts claim his overall arm strength just isn't there.

Late round "sleeper" pick wouldn't be a bad thing though.
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Nice work there JP
JRaegor in the 2nd round huh?

Yeah, Top of Round 2 is his floor, but if he were there in Round 1 and the offers to move back were anything less, I'd still reach and take him in Round 1...
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Shaquille Quarterman - LB U of Miami

Mid round guy I'd take a flyer on. We need to get faster (notice the CLOSING speed starting at 1:08) opposite Demario.

Miami LB Shaquille Quarterman Highlight Reel - 2019 Season | Stadium - YouTube
Wanna see Quarterman perform at the UnderRoos Olympics in just over two (2) weeks; scouting reports are contradictory on his game play speed; from limited film I've seen, am not sure he's as fast as claimed...

I'd feel better about drafting him if we still had Mike Nolan; he'd be better at not only coaching him up if he's playing slow, but he'd probably be the best appraiser of his ceiling and floor as a linebacker...
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