Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen

Vrillon82 · 01-17-2020, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC.

But we are here on the outside looking in ... again.

Dont be fooled, KC defense is the weak link, its just the offense is so loaded against lack luster defenses in the AFC that it can make up for the defensive failures. That KC team would never fly in the NFC.

TheOak · 01-18-2020, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC.

But we are here on the outside looking in ... again.

So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution...

Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake....

If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket.

Rell&Gold · 01-18-2020, 02:33 AM

Marcus Williams should have known Patrick Robinson was going to get beat? Why are are we playing single high safety in that situation anyway is the better question?

Rell&Gold · 01-18-2020, 02:37 AM

Marathon Lattimore getting beat was way worse. Defense getting ripped by Cook way Worse. Oline playing worst game of the year. Kicker missing a field goal. But Patrick Robinson getting beat is Marcus Williams fault? The same guy you all were praising a week or two prior when he stepped in? The switch up is real. Believe it or not Marcus Williams is one of the better safeties in the league

K Major · 01-18-2020, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution...

Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake....

If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket.

This post was started to discuss deficiencies of our Defensive Coordinator.

Saints haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over a decade and the last three years have been last minute miscues.

Not sure what buying a "ticket" has to do with anything. The Saints team goal is to get back and win it all.

NOLA54 · 01-18-2020, 01:47 PM

Everyone is to blame. From the coaches to the water boy. If there's a better DC out there than go him.

The Dude · 01-18-2020, 02:05 PM

Earlier in the season the defense played way too loose in garbage time.
All in all our defense was absolutely elite until they left players like Apple on the field when the game was well in hand. Led to injuries which they never really recovered from.

Rugby Saint II · 01-18-2020, 06:38 PM

The basic argument is that DA can't close. I"ll have to totally agree on that point.

The defense seems unprepared going in and then brings the counter punches when DA makes adjustments. His best adjustments come at half time where he figures their game plan out. The worst ones come with just moments left in the game when he gets a brain freeze.

Basically, I feel like his defense is not prepared for different scenarios that occur in a game.....just the basic game plan. We should do better.

We've had talent that we've brought in but most of the players on defense regress and I believe that that falls on coaching. Specifically Dennis Allen! His specialty is the secondary and that's our weakness. "Nuff said!

skymike · 01-19-2020, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Thought I'd start a thread to discuss our lack of closing in big games ... specifically on defense. We've looked good in the regular season however as the playoff starts, we can't seem to close.

very provocative. and a lot less wacky than "we gotta get rid of Brees" talk.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

2019 - Week 1 vs Texans, Lattimore allows huge reception, Stills catches deep TD pass the next play.

2018 - Browns game in Superdome, we let Tyrod Taylor beat us deep with 50 seconds to go.

definitely a pattern.

Originally Posted by K Major

Kurt Cousins ? In our house? SMDH.

The State Rests its case.

I would like to add that our secondary, which should be DA's forte, should be named the Choke Patrol.

TheOak · 01-19-2020, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

This post was started to discuss deficiencies of our Defensive Coordinator.

Saints haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over a decade and the last three years have been last minute miscues.

Not sure what buying a "ticket" has to do with anything. The Saints team goal is to get back and win it all.

Yes, I understand the OP. Thus far you have listed only outcomes, and not one outcome can directly be attributed to Dennis Allen. Deficiencies are not outcomes and outcomes that have multiple drivers can not be attributed to one person. Let me rephrase because you are obviously attributing the outcomes to one person. They shouldn't be attributed to one person.

You specifically listed our 3rd down percentage which is 6th in the league for regular season. What EXACTLY are you saying or wanting here?

This is not peewee football. Dennis Allen does not 'put players in position' for a better outcome. Defense in the NFL is very dynamic up to the snap and pre-snap adjustments are on the players on the field. Crap brother.. at the High School level defenses made their own adjustments on the field pre-snap. Scheme and theory are on the Defensive coordinator not personal performance.

You have also stated that Sean Payton meddles in the Defense correct? Again cant blame Allen if the HC is interfering.

01-17-2020, 10:56 PM	#11
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC. But we are here on the outside looking in ... again. Dont be fooled, KC defense is the weak link, its just the offense is so loaded against lack luster defenses in the AFC that it can make up for the defensive failures. That KC team would never fly in the NFC. skymike and TheOak like this.
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01-18-2020, 01:55 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC. But we are here on the outside looking in ... again. So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution... Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake.... If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket.

01-18-2020, 02:33 AM	#13
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Marcus Williams should have known Patrick Robinson was going to get beat? Why are are we playing single high safety in that situation anyway is the better question?

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Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Marathon Lattimore getting beat was way worse. Defense getting ripped by Cook way Worse. Oline playing worst game of the year. Kicker missing a field goal. But Patrick Robinson getting beat is Marcus Williams fault? The same guy you all were praising a week or two prior when he stepped in? The switch up is real. Believe it or not Marcus Williams is one of the better safeties in the league

01-18-2020, 08:13 AM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by TheOak So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution... Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake.... If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket. This post was started to discuss deficiencies of our Defensive Coordinator. Saints haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over a decade and the last three years have been last minute miscues. Not sure what buying a "ticket" has to do with anything. The Saints team goal is to get back and win it all. skymike likes this.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Everyone is to blame. From the coaches to the water boy. If there's a better DC out there than go him. skymike likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Earlier in the season the defense played way too loose in garbage time. All in all our defense was absolutely elite until they left players like Apple on the field when the game was well in hand. Led to injuries which they never really recovered from. skymike and MarchingOn like this.
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01-19-2020, 12:06 AM	#19
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major Thought I'd start a thread to discuss our lack of closing in big games ... specifically on defense. We've looked good in the regular season however as the playoff starts, we can't seem to close. very provocative. and a lot less wacky than "we gotta get rid of Brees" talk. Originally Posted by dizzle88 2019 - Week 1 vs Texans, Lattimore allows huge reception, Stills catches deep TD pass the next play. 2018 - Browns game in Superdome, we let Tyrod Taylor beat us deep with 50 seconds to go. definitely a pattern. Originally Posted by K Major Kurt Cousins ? In our house? SMDH. The State Rests its case. I would like to add that our secondary, which should be DA's forte, should be named the Choke Patrol. K Major likes this.

01-19-2020, 05:57 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major This post was started to discuss deficiencies of our Defensive Coordinator. Saints haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over a decade and the last three years have been last minute miscues. Not sure what buying a "ticket" has to do with anything. The Saints team goal is to get back and win it all. Yes, I understand the OP. Thus far you have listed only outcomes, and not one outcome can directly be attributed to Dennis Allen. Deficiencies are not outcomes and outcomes that have multiple drivers can not be attributed to one person. Let me rephrase because you are obviously attributing the outcomes to one person. They shouldn't be attributed to one person. You specifically listed our 3rd down percentage which is 6th in the league for regular season. What EXACTLY are you saying or wanting here? This is not peewee football. Dennis Allen does not 'put players in position' for a better outcome. Defense in the NFL is very dynamic up to the snap and pre-snap adjustments are on the players on the field. Crap brother.. at the High School level defenses made their own adjustments on the field pre-snap. Scheme and theory are on the Defensive coordinator not personal performance. You have also stated that Sean Payton meddles in the Defense correct? Again cant blame Allen if the HC is interfering.
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