Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen

Vrillon82 · 01-17-2020, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC.

But we are here on the outside looking in ... again.

Dont be fooled, KC defense is the weak link, its just the offense is so loaded against lack luster defenses in the AFC that it can make up for the defensive failures. That KC team would never fly in the NFC.

TheOak · 01-18-2020, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC.

But we are here on the outside looking in ... again.

So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution...

Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake....

If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket.

WillSaints81 · 01-19-2020, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The problem is that when there are injuries to key players and your talent has a steep drop from your starters to the 2nd/3rds it doesn't matter your genius if the players refuse to play the ball once it is in the air and instead try to dry hump the receivers face.

I look at Dennis Allen this way. We were in the top half of the league in points allowed, yards per game, and 4th down%.. Top 6 in 3rd%.

Then I think about the Spagnuolo and Ryan years...

Im good with Allen. Very good with not screwing with that.

With the exception of maybe Lattimore and Jackrabbit... No one is watching our defensive secondary play and thinking.. Man I wish we had that guy.

Spags is in the SB. You may have a point about Ryan, but Spags was never given a chance because SP wanted to shake things up after a season that was doomed from the minute the suspension happened to go along with lawsuits and a contract holdout.

K Major · 02-07-2020, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Spags is in the SB. You may have a point about Ryan, but Spags was never given a chance because SP wanted to shake things up after a season that was doomed from the minute the suspension happened to go along with lawsuits and a contract holdout.

Now ring #2

.

Did you notice how Spaggs KC defense didn't give up a "big play" on the back end last 8 minutes of the SB game? Something Dennis Allen and his group can't seem to do.

CLOSE.

jeanpierre · 01-17-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

1. Marcus Williams is a choking machine.
2. Defense was worn out from the lack of ball control.
3. Defensive line was worn out from the lack of rotation due to injuries.

The lack of pass rush was very noticeable for the last 4 games... losing Davenport was huge, and we lack any DT pass rushers.

I don’t blame Allen unless I start to see the ‘prevent a win Defense’, but that didn’t seem to be the case.

Definitely agree with points 2 & 3...

Especially frustrated with No. 2, because when we were running the ball with success, Payton seemed to try to force to many carries on Kamara, especially inside, and not nearly enough to Murray or even Taysom...

The injuries definitely caught up to us on the defensive line as we were no longer as fresh, however, Cam rarely came out of the game...

Injuries are part of the game, and while we only had one of our starting DBs at one point, don't give Allen a pass because other teams were stopping us with total less talent than we had...

Seemed the two previous seasons we'd take early first half hits, then play shut-down defense in the second half; this season we saw regression to not getting off the field in the second half of games...

Cruize · 01-17-2020, 04:19 PM

ALL of the rules HEAVILY favors the offense. But, I think the Saints do play too soft and too much zone at times. The best defenses man up and attack. The Saints have enough talent for that.

Rell&Gold · 01-18-2020, 01:33 AM

Marcus Williams should have known Patrick Robinson was going to get beat? Why are are we playing single high safety in that situation anyway is the better question?

Rell&Gold · 01-18-2020, 01:37 AM

Marathon Lattimore getting beat was way worse. Defense getting ripped by Cook way Worse. Oline playing worst game of the year. Kicker missing a field goal. But Patrick Robinson getting beat is Marcus Williams fault? The same guy you all were praising a week or two prior when he stepped in? The switch up is real. Believe it or not Marcus Williams is one of the better safeties in the league

NOLA54 · 01-18-2020, 12:47 PM

Everyone is to blame. From the coaches to the water boy. If there's a better DC out there than go him.

Rugby Saint II · 02-09-2020, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Everyone is to blame. From the coaches to the water boy. If there's a better DC out there than go him.

I just can't see Sean Payton breaking from Dennis Allen especially since the defense carried us a lot this year and we finished 13-3. I believe Payton is loyal to a fault. Do you remember how long it took to get rid of his ineffective position coaches? That new group of coaches came in and took us to the next level on defense. Nielsen and Nolan have been integral parts to our success. We have actually developed players under their coaching who are well prepared. Nolan will be missed terribly I have a feeling. It's hard to find someone with his credentials and skill at communicating with his players. Hopefully, we've got his replacement ready to come to New Orleans.

01-17-2020, 09:56 PM	#1
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC. But we are here on the outside looking in ... again. Dont be fooled, KC defense is the weak link, its just the offense is so loaded against lack luster defenses in the AFC that it can make up for the defensive failures. That KC team would never fly in the NFC. skymike and TheOak like this.
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01-19-2020, 10:05 PM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by TheOak The problem is that when there are injuries to key players and your talent has a steep drop from your starters to the 2nd/3rds it doesn't matter your genius if the players refuse to play the ball once it is in the air and instead try to dry hump the receivers face. I look at Dennis Allen this way. We were in the top half of the league in points allowed, yards per game, and 4th down%.. Top 6 in 3rd%. Then I think about the Spagnuolo and Ryan years... Im good with Allen. Very good with not screwing with that. With the exception of maybe Lattimore and Jackrabbit... No one is watching our defensive secondary play and thinking.. Man I wish we had that guy. Spags is in the SB. You may have a point about Ryan, but Spags was never given a chance because SP wanted to shake things up after a season that was doomed from the minute the suspension happened to go along with lawsuits and a contract holdout.

02-07-2020, 08:39 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Spags is in the SB. You may have a point about Ryan, but Spags was never given a chance because SP wanted to shake things up after a season that was doomed from the minute the suspension happened to go along with lawsuits and a contract holdout. Now ring #2 . Did you notice how Spaggs KC defense didn't give up a "big play" on the back end last 8 minutes of the SB game? Something Dennis Allen and his group can't seem to do. CLOSE. WillMacKenzie likes this.

01-17-2020, 01:20 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by blackangold 1. Marcus Williams is a choking machine. 2. Defense was worn out from the lack of ball control. 3. Defensive line was worn out from the lack of rotation due to injuries. The lack of pass rush was very noticeable for the last 4 games... losing Davenport was huge, and we lack any DT pass rushers. I don’t blame Allen unless I start to see the ‘prevent a win Defense’, but that didn’t seem to be the case. Definitely agree with points 2 & 3... Especially frustrated with No. 2, because when we were running the ball with success, Payton seemed to try to force to many carries on Kamara, especially inside, and not nearly enough to Murray or even Taysom... The injuries definitely caught up to us on the defensive line as we were no longer as fresh, however, Cam rarely came out of the game... Injuries are part of the game, and while we only had one of our starting DBs at one point, don't give Allen a pass because other teams were stopping us with total less talent than we had... Seemed the two previous seasons we'd take early first half hits, then play shut-down defense in the second half; this season we saw regression to not getting off the field in the second half of games... SmashMouth likes this.
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01-17-2020, 04:19 PM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen ALL of the rules HEAVILY favors the offense. But, I think the Saints do play too soft and too much zone at times. The best defenses man up and attack. The Saints have enough talent for that. SmashMouth likes this.
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01-18-2020, 12:55 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Originally Posted by K Major Yet Steve Spagnuolo is one WIN away from the Super Bowl as 1st year Chiefs Defensive Coordinator. Some would even argue that the Saints have a more talented roster defensively from top to bottom than KC. But we are here on the outside looking in ... again. So are the KC water boys. Being there doesn't speak to contribution... Peat is in the Pro Bowl for Christ sake.... If 'being there' is your goal, save your self some heart ache and buy your self a ticket.

01-18-2020, 01:33 AM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Marcus Williams should have known Patrick Robinson was going to get beat? Why are are we playing single high safety in that situation anyway is the better question?

01-18-2020, 01:37 AM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Marathon Lattimore getting beat was way worse. Defense getting ripped by Cook way Worse. Oline playing worst game of the year. Kicker missing a field goal. But Patrick Robinson getting beat is Marcus Williams fault? The same guy you all were praising a week or two prior when he stepped in? The switch up is real. Believe it or not Marcus Williams is one of the better safeties in the league

01-18-2020, 12:47 PM	#9
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Defensive Coordinator Dennis Allen Everyone is to blame. From the coaches to the water boy. If there's a better DC out there than go him. skymike likes this.

02-09-2020, 02:30 PM	#10
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