N/S Your take on the XFL

TheOak · 02-10-2020, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The NFL has been trending towards **** for years.

Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success.

The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

hitta · 02-10-2020, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success.

The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL.

XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL.

To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.

hitta · 02-10-2020, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL.

XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL.

To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.

The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.

LOL!!

hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap.

I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL.

Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

hitta · 02-11-2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

LOL!!

hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap.

I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL.

Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?

K Major · 02-11-2020, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k.

Holy Cow Batman !

Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it

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AsylumGuido · 02-11-2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?

Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete.

Per league president, Oliver Luck himself:

"We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League."

skymike · 02-11-2020, 11:30 PM

History repeats itself over and over.

There was the AFL. An "inferior" league filled with "reject" players until
Super Bowl III. And then Super Bowl IV. By the merger, you had dynasties in Miami, Pittsburgh, and Oakland, and for a while, the old NFL teams couldnt win a SB.

The USFL, which suicided itself, also filled with many players who became
stars in the NFL, including 1/2 of our Dome Patrol, and our most successful
coach up to that date in Jim Mora, not to mention our starting QB for how many years?

Learn from the past, before you dismiss a rising star. And personally, I'm eager to see a bunch of hungry players show their worth in Houston. Its a great entertainment value, and you'll be able to say, "I knew that guy, when...."

Also, I think this will be like being an old AFL Fan. Who knows what will happen? I'll try it.

TheOak · 02-11-2020, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

If that is what you chose to believe then it is on you.

Fact of the matter is that money and power do not drive interest and fanbase in the entertainment industry. David Tepper and Stan Kroneke (rightnow you are asking your self who in the **** are they, so did I) are the two richest NFL team owners and I wouldn't watch the Panthers or the Rams if you paid me.

Product appeal drives revenue pure and simple. This is why Brittany Spears has the number one single of all time in terms of sales... Its not her talent or skill. its why Bing Crosby has the #2 and #4 selling singles of all time, he has no power or money and died 43 years ago. Its why a little company named Microsoft crushed IMB and why a little company named Apple crushed Microsoft... Better products at the right time. Coke a Cola has a LOT or power and money, New Coke flopped in 1985.

To date one of your statements is correct:"the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field."

What appeals to you is irrelevant, its what appeals to the broadest audience that makes money and power. In spite of its issues, to date.. no one has put a better product on the field than the NFL. Right now those honours go to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL.

BTW, team owners negotiate with local government for stadiums and local concessions, not the league. This is why not all stadiums or teams are created or function equally.

I get that you were fed a line of sh1t and it made sense when you heard it, it wasn't correct.

02-10-2020, 01:31 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success. The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

02-10-2020, 04:12 PM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,347	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by TheOak Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success. The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/ That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. skymike likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL. XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL. To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-10-2020, 05:39 PM	#4
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,347	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL. XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL. To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes. The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong. LOL!! hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap. I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL. Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

02-11-2020, 10:43 AM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,347	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido LOL!! hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap. I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL. Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend. Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?
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02-11-2020, 10:56 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,883 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Holy Cow Batman ! Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it .

02-11-2020, 10:59 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."? Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete. Per league president, Oliver Luck himself: "We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League."
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02-11-2020, 11:30 PM	#9
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL History repeats itself over and over. There was the AFL. An "inferior" league filled with "reject" players until Super Bowl III. And then Super Bowl IV. By the merger, you had dynasties in Miami, Pittsburgh, and Oakland, and for a while, the old NFL teams couldnt win a SB. The USFL, which suicided itself, also filled with many players who became stars in the NFL, including 1/2 of our Dome Patrol, and our most successful coach up to that date in Jim Mora, not to mention our starting QB for how many years? Learn from the past, before you dismiss a rising star. And personally, I'm eager to see a bunch of hungry players show their worth in Houston. Its a great entertainment value, and you'll be able to say, "I knew that guy, when...." Also, I think this will be like being an old AFL Fan. Who knows what will happen? I'll try it. neugey and TheOak like this.

02-11-2020, 03:15 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. If that is what you chose to believe then it is on you. Fact of the matter is that money and power do not drive interest and fanbase in the entertainment industry. David Tepper and Stan Kroneke (rightnow you are asking your self who in the **** are they, so did I) are the two richest NFL team owners and I wouldn't watch the Panthers or the Rams if you paid me. Product appeal drives revenue pure and simple. This is why Brittany Spears has the number one single of all time in terms of sales... Its not her talent or skill. its why Bing Crosby has the #2 and #4 selling singles of all time, he has no power or money and died 43 years ago. Its why a little company named Microsoft crushed IMB and why a little company named Apple crushed Microsoft... Better products at the right time. Coke a Cola has a LOT or power and money, New Coke flopped in 1985. To date one of your statements is correct:"the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field." What appeals to you is irrelevant, its what appeals to the broadest audience that makes money and power. In spite of its issues, to date.. no one has put a better product on the field than the NFL. Right now those honours go to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL. BTW, team owners negotiate with local government for stadiums and local concessions, not the league. This is why not all stadiums or teams are created or function equally. I get that you were fed a line of sh1t and it made sense when you heard it, it wasn't correct.
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