N/S Your take on the XFL

hitta · 02-10-2020, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success.

The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL.

XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL.

To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.

hitta · 02-10-2020, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL.

XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL.

To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.

The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.

LOL!!

hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap.

I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL.

Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

hitta · 02-11-2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

LOL!!

hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap.

I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL.

Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?

K Major · 02-11-2020, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k.

Holy Cow Batman !

Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it

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AsylumGuido · 02-11-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Holy Cow Batman !

Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it .

Apparently a few of the very top QB's can reach that figure. Given there is central ownership of all eight teams players have no leverage and are forced to play within the leagues standardized pay structure. To survive they need to stick to their strategy of providing affordable entertainment and that can only be done if player salaries are held to a minimum. There should be little overlap of the talent pools between the two leagues. The highest paid XFL QB's appear to make the same as a long snapper in the NFL. Becoming competition with the CFL may become attainable some day. That could possibly fit within their operating model.

AsylumGuido · 02-11-2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?

Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete.

Per league president, Oliver Luck himself:

"We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League."

hitta · 02-11-2020, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete.

Per league president, Oliver Luck himself:

"We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League."

I don't care whether they say they are trying to compete with the NFL or not. When you create a company in the same field as another company, and you make changes to your brand(XFL) that differ from the other brand(NFL) in order to attract viewers you are by definition competing with them. If one of the driving factors in a company trying to sell their product is by creating a juxtaposition to another companies product then there is competition. Even if the only differentiating factor that the league was offering was giving players that wouldn't have a shot in the NFL a chance to compete, that is still something they are attempting to offer that the NFL does not offer, hence they are competing with the league. When they say they aren't trying to compete with the NFL, this is just their marketing/advertising scheme.

I'm sure as a league they do want to share viewers with the NFL(complement as they say). They are doing things that they hope will attract viewers that the NFL doesn't have as well.

skymike · 02-11-2020, 11:30 PM

History repeats itself over and over.

There was the AFL. An "inferior" league filled with "reject" players until
Super Bowl III. And then Super Bowl IV. By the merger, you had dynasties in Miami, Pittsburgh, and Oakland, and for a while, the old NFL teams couldnt win a SB.

The USFL, which suicided itself, also filled with many players who became
stars in the NFL, including 1/2 of our Dome Patrol, and our most successful
coach up to that date in Jim Mora, not to mention our starting QB for how many years?

Learn from the past, before you dismiss a rising star. And personally, I'm eager to see a bunch of hungry players show their worth in Houston. Its a great entertainment value, and you'll be able to say, "I knew that guy, when...."

Also, I think this will be like being an old AFL Fan. Who knows what will happen? I'll try it.

02-10-2020, 04:12 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by TheOak Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success. The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/ That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. skymike likes this.
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02-10-2020, 04:36 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,803	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL. XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL. To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.
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02-10-2020, 05:39 PM	#3
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL. XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL. To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes. The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,803	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta The salaries are low because they have no revenue stream. As the revenue streams go up, the salaries will as well. Eventually they will try to steal players from the NFL. If the XFL continues its success, if you think there won't be a point where the XFL tries to out compete the NFL on offers to particular players, you are wrong. LOL!! hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap. I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL. Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend.

02-11-2020, 10:43 AM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido LOL!! hitta, my friend. Player contracts in the XFL are capped at $55,000 right now. That is less than an NFL player earns under contract for getting fitted for his jock strap. I assume you haven't understood the concept of the XFL. Your wild-assed dream that the XFL, or even the CFL that has been around for longer than the NFL, could compete monetarily for talent is beyond idiocy. I want some of your drugs, my friend. Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."?
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02-11-2020, 10:56 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,853 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Holy Cow Batman ! Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it .

02-11-2020, 11:10 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,803	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by K Major Holy Cow Batman ! Awesome 10 game salary if you can get it . Apparently a few of the very top QB's can reach that figure. Given there is central ownership of all eight teams players have no leverage and are forced to play within the leagues standardized pay structure. To survive they need to stick to their strategy of providing affordable entertainment and that can only be done if player salaries are held to a minimum. There should be little overlap of the talent pools between the two leagues. The highest paid XFL QB's appear to make the same as a long snapper in the NFL. Becoming competition with the CFL may become attainable some day. That could possibly fit within their operating model. neugey likes this.
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02-11-2020, 10:59 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,803	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta Player contracts are not capped at $55,000.. that is the average XFL salary. Some players, such as Cardale Jones are making over $500k. Why wouldn't the XFL want to compete with the NFL? Do you think their motto is "Watch the NFL instead, we suck."? Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete. Per league president, Oliver Luck himself: "We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League."
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-11-2020, 11:58 AM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Okay, that is correct, but with an average of $55K there are quite a number of players making less than that, correct? The XFL can never hope to be able to draw the same talent as the NFL and that is the only way they could ever directly compete. Per league president, Oliver Luck himself: "We don’t compete with the NFL,” Luck said at an XFL press conference today. “I don’t think anybody competes with the NFL. I love the NFL. It’s a juggernaut, it’s an awesome league, I was proud to be a player way back in the day, I’m proud my son can play in the league. We have great relationships with both the league office and the local teams in the markets we’re in. So we want to be a complement. We want to stay away from politics. We want to play good football, make it family affordable, keep it relatively simple, a fun day out at the ballpark, the stadium, and try to stay away as best we can from all the other issues. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about the National Football League." I don't care whether they say they are trying to compete with the NFL or not. When you create a company in the same field as another company, and you make changes to your brand(XFL) that differ from the other brand(NFL) in order to attract viewers you are by definition competing with them. If one of the driving factors in a company trying to sell their product is by creating a juxtaposition to another companies product then there is competition. Even if the only differentiating factor that the league was offering was giving players that wouldn't have a shot in the NFL a chance to compete, that is still something they are attempting to offer that the NFL does not offer, hence they are competing with the league. When they say they aren't trying to compete with the NFL, this is just their marketing/advertising scheme. I'm sure as a league they do want to share viewers with the NFL(complement as they say). They are doing things that they hope will attract viewers that the NFL doesn't have as well.
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02-11-2020, 11:30 PM	#10
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL History repeats itself over and over. There was the AFL. An "inferior" league filled with "reject" players until Super Bowl III. And then Super Bowl IV. By the merger, you had dynasties in Miami, Pittsburgh, and Oakland, and for a while, the old NFL teams couldnt win a SB. The USFL, which suicided itself, also filled with many players who became stars in the NFL, including 1/2 of our Dome Patrol, and our most successful coach up to that date in Jim Mora, not to mention our starting QB for how many years? Learn from the past, before you dismiss a rising star. And personally, I'm eager to see a bunch of hungry players show their worth in Houston. Its a great entertainment value, and you'll be able to say, "I knew that guy, when...." Also, I think this will be like being an old AFL Fan. Who knows what will happen? I'll try it. neugey and TheOak like this.