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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Brees hasn’t had time like he used to to throw it. Compound that by clogging up all the throwing lanes and congesting everything up within 9 yards + Brees not as nimble = the recipe everybody has used to make ...

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Old 02-18-2020, 09:16 PM   #51
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Brees hasn’t had time like he used to to throw it. Compound that by clogging up all the throwing lanes and congesting everything up within 9 yards + Brees not as nimble = the recipe everybody has used to make Sean look terrible.

He can’t adjust to it and won’t grind it out on the ground. It’s just a vulnerability we’ve had IMO
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:17 PM   #52
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Cha Ching ... How can all these people in Saints Organization keep their jobs ... hard to understand.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:58 PM   #53
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For those of you complaining about Brees coming back, ya'll need to knock it off. Yes, Teddy had a good 5 games last year. But that doesn't mean he would have ended how he started. Teams would have eventually caught on. Drew knows how to adjust. It was not all his fault that the team lost to the Vikings. If the Saints can go into FA or the draft, get a decent 2nd receiver, some depth on the O line, fix up the secondary a little, they'll be fine. The main problem again, was they had a HUGE drop off after Mike Thomas on the depth chart. Smith is good, but not there yet, Ginn was way past his prime and the other guys didn't have much experience. You Drew critics who are beating up on him now, are going to hate it when he's gone and wish he'd come back.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:29 PM   #54
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We've went all in the last 2 seasons and it has resulted in more playoff failures.

2018 was an 'all in' year. Last year this team embraced their victimhood of the non-call and spent the whole off season belly-aching about it to the point they started to believe their own BS. That's the only conclusion I can come up with as for why we didn't make any trades before trade deadline, passing on a guy like Emmanuel Sanders who came back to shred us. They truly believed they were good enough to reach the SB with this roster, all cause "the refs robbed us".

Compare us to the Chiefs. They were one Dee Ford boneheaded move away from the SB, but you didn't hear them constantly bring it up like our team did with the non-call. instead, they started making serious moves to fix their issues. They brought in a new defensive coordinator, cut several guys and made moves, stacking their offense with even more weapons and they also made moves before the trade deadline last year. Whether Shanahan screwed around and the 49ers choked the SB is beyond the question, KC made the moves to get there and win it. We didn't make any serious moves that would've helped us before the trade deadline, just sat there wanting everyone to feel sorry for us over the non-call. That was this team's identity last year.

Those playoff failures can be contributed from 3 main reasons.

#1. Payton getting out-coached.
#2. Our HOF QB playing badly in the playoffs. Brees playoff numbers the last 3 seasons speak for themselves.
#3. Defense crapping the bed in crunch time.

All 3 happened in all 3 of our playoff losses. We were one Alshon Jeffrey dropped pass away from being one and done in 2018. Even going back to 2017, we came very close to being one and done to Carolina if their kicker had made his field goals and Cam threw an accurate pass on their final drive.

For some reason, we play bad in the playoffs. Kinda reminds me of Peyton Manning led teams. Brees has put together a playoff record that almost mirrors Manning's, just don't have the 4 SB appearances. They are very similar QBs - both have topped off statistically dominant regular seasons with bad postseason play.

Brees should've retired. We're going to look back at this half way through the season when the offense is struggling and be saying this when our 41 year old QB isn't amounting to much but dink and dunk passes.

We have a young team that we successfully rebuilt with beginning in 2016. We hit home runs with the 2017 draft.

This team is not terrible and when they had that 5-0 stretch with Bridgewater, the future really looked bright.

I keep remembering last year that Brees pretty much rushed back into the starting job after Teddy went 5-0. He had that one big statistical game against a crappy Cards team, but lost in all the bragging about his stats, Brees only had like 2 completions over 10 yards in that game (his other pass for 10+ yards was an interception). His stats were inflated from YAC. A week later, we didn't score a single TD against Atlanta at home but at least he didn't throw a pick and got to pad those passing yard stats. Our #1 rival and we **** the bed against them. At home.

With Bridgewater in, we ran a balanced offense.

With Brees in, went back to pass happy with our QB who can't hit anything beyond 10 yards and usually don't throw beyond the LOS anymore.

Seriously; for all the people who constantly criticized Bridgewater last year for checking it down, Brees has been a checkdown king since the end of 2018 which is when his decline began to hit hard. Brees has never really been the same again since November of 2018. The decline began with that Cowboys game and carried on. He occasionally still has good games against sub-par teams, but so did Manning at the end of 2014 and 2015. Aaron Rodgers still occasionally has the great game against a crap team too and it convinces everyone that he's back to his prime.

I'm not convinced and wasn't all last year that Brees was playing at this super elite level people talked about. He ranked high in QBR and completion percentage only cause he focuses on short passes and rarely throws beyond the LOS. The best QB last year brought home the Lombardi, but his stats weren't perfect looking cause Mahomes isn't afraid to gun it down field.

I think this is a mistake and we're going to be rebuilding in 2021. Taysom Hill is not a starting QB.

IMO Brees isn't retiring cause Brady isn't and he is worried about those volume stats and records. I don't give a **** about those records. All I want is another ring! A second Lombardi brought to New Orleans! These old guys are greedy and selfish. They need to retire and let a young gun have a shot. Makes me sick to think we are about to let a 26 year old QB walk, who is a proven winner and starting QB, all for a 41 year old past his prime former legend who dinks and dunks all day now, but at least he puts up respectable stats I guess before we crap the bed in the post season.
We’ve been in the playoffs each of the last 3 years. Only one team in our conference makes it. Can’t really expect much more than that. So you think finding a Qb not named Brees will get us a different result?
When Brees leaves we very well could see a several year hiatus from the playoffs so I would enjoy it while it lasts.
Even if we got the best Qb in the draft it is highly doubtful we win the SB or even the playoffs.
We are going to have to rebuild eventually, that’s a given. I don’t get the whole “we might as well get it over with now” mentality I see from some fans. You strike when the iron is hot and believe it or not the iron is still hot.
Brees had a career best passer AND TD rating last year. He isn’t the problem.
You show me a better Qb for this year that’s actually attainable and I’m all in, but that Qb isn’t in the NFL right now. We are a guard and a WR away from the SB.
I will put $100 on us going if we address those needs. Everything else can be depth for all I care.

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Old 02-18-2020, 10:38 PM   #55
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Give Drew another WR and excellent to elite blocking from the guards and we're a player again.

I am excited to give Taysom a shot, so there's a tiny part of me that is disappointed, but with Drew at QB, and given another WR and some blocking and I'm excited for another year of Saints football. A much bigger concern is Roger dictating the outcome, but that's another thread...
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
I think you have to go all in this season.

Trade for Darius Slay and lockdown the other side of Latt.
Trade up for a receiver in the draft if necessary.

Not crazy about how much we are going to end up paying Brees and how much it'll cost against the cap, but if they are serious about this thing, then they need to make a serious point to address the weaknesses that have stopped our playoff run 3 years in a row.
Two first round picks and another fifth round pick for a defensive end wasn't going all in for you already?

And if you think that kind of thinking works out, I'd remind you how many games that defensive end has missed including the crucial playoffs...

Draft well, Sign Free Agents Well, allow the team to constantly improve - those are the teams in the Free Agency area that consistently compete for the playoffs...

Saints 2017 Draft should have taught everyone that...
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:19 AM   #57
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Carnac the Magnificent speaks again.



Loved that character, my fav was when he reached over to 3 Stooges pinch Ed McMahon's nose and zipped his lip while Ed was citing his Funk & Wagnall's spiel, so Carson could keep his composure through the bit...
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I want to see pretty much a two QB system where Hill proves he can be a legit Qb. Throw him in for the deep ball and pepper in a few plays where he pitches to our RB and then goes up front to help the offensive line. I have never seen a Qb who is a legit threat through the air with the physicality and ability to block like Hill.
We are an anomaly at Qb. Nobody has run a dual QB system with an All Pro Qb who knows he only has a year or two left and a player like Hill. Ego issues will be a non factor. It could work.
This doesn't work. Ever.

Now if it was a Rocky 2 plot where we start with Brees and if for whatever reasons the team needs to switch QBs if the offense stalls hits a wall under Brees and that situation evolves organically, naturally...

Drew is the ultimate competitor, but he's even more the ultimate team member...
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:27 AM   #59
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One thing that is definitely lost on many people is that Brees was still one of the best performing quarterbacks in the league...

It came down to that horrible interception in the playoffs vs the Vikings where he was trying to keep the momentum we'd had with Taysom Hill trucking the Vikings...

Not using Latavius Murray more, pulling Taysom out when he was in BeastMode, Drew didn't make those calls...
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YES!
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