Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision

blackangold · 04-13-2020, 10:13 PM

It would be a mistake to pay more than 10m per year. RBs are a product of the system and O line. Also, they are often injured and rarely come back from injuries well.

That all said, we just signed Peat to the single dumbest contract I have seen so anything can happen.

Edit:
Others posted about RBs not growing on trees... I’d disagree with that for Payton. He knows how to scheme and be effective with any RB. Outside of 2010 (injuries) when have we had poor RBs? You all remember K. Robinson right? People compared home to Curtis Martin lol... he sucked when he left.

I appreciate AK, but he isn’t worth losing another good vital player in order to pay him.

st thomas · 04-13-2020, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

His Agent will be asking for at least 14/15ml

Kamara played 3 games less

McCaffrey - Kamara

CMC numbers first

Rushing yards:
2,920 - 2408

Rushing average:
4.7 - 5.0

Rushing touchdowns:
24 - 27

Receptions:
303 - 243

Receiving yards:
2,523 - 2068

Receiving touchdowns:
15 - 10

Return yards:
220 - 585 (1TD)

Cmc was the only weapon Carolina had so I believe his stats are gorilla over kamara

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K Major · 04-13-2020, 10:31 PM

Well based on AK's production in 2019, the Saints front office brass should allow him to play out 2020 (assuming we do have a season) for his cap hit of 2M, then reassess his worth in a year when you have the option to let him hit Free Agency, franchise him or extend.

He will eventually get paid, however not C McCaffery type coin.

shawnkytonk · 04-13-2020, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

His Agent will be asking for at least 14/15ml

Kamara played 3 games less

McCaffrey - Kamara

CMC numbers first

Rushing yards:
2,920 - 2408

Rushing average:
4.7 - 5.0

Rushing touchdowns:
24 - 27

Receptions:
303 - 243

Receiving yards:
2,523 - 2068

Receiving touchdowns:
15 - 10

Return yards:
220 - 585 (1TD)

So when you combine the TDs, CMC leads in every category outside of return yds. But stats aren't the whole story here. There is much more telling data.

I'd be willing to give this more credit if Kamara had ever been an MVP candidate.

rezburna · 04-14-2020, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Will he hold out? That's the real question. I would.

Great question. I would too. Especially as a running back. This is his only chance at a big payday.

halloween 65 · 04-14-2020, 08:46 AM

I would trade him or let him play out his contract. He's not a #1 rb( Derick Henry type bell cow back) and if Payton uses him that way he's going to get hurt. There are some really good backs in the draft this year and picking up one would go a long way for production and money. If Kamara would want top money it would be a huge mistake to give it to him.

Pete · 04-14-2020, 09:02 AM

Double edged sword..

-Let him play his tail off for the new contract and we reap the rewards.

-He goes off and we have to break the bank.

Paytons belief in #41's gridiron IQ is why we do everything to keep him.Sean will go to bat heavily on this one I'm thinking...
Then Mickey weighs it out and capitalizes somehow.

Could be a shocker draft day..

saintsfan1976 · 04-14-2020, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Well based on AK's production in 2019, the Saints front office brass should allow him to play out 2020 (assuming we do have a season) for his cap hit of 2M, then reassess his worth in a year when you have the option to let him hit Free Agency, franchise him or extend.

He will eventually get paid, however not C McCaffery type coin.

Then he'll hold out. And I can't argue with him.... $2MM is not enough for how much he's involved in the offense.

st thomas · 04-14-2020, 10:11 AM

Ask the rams how they feel about paying for gurley now? Was he hurt or made a business decision is not what I’m saying , like someone said above he’s not a bell cow but part of a scheme. Kamara that is.Bell cows should get paid. People want to pay huge contacts to players that run off the field after every 2 plays . To me AK has been half asred figured out. My Analytics say Kamara gets the ball 75% of the time when he’s (in) the game . Take him out and you will force a punt.

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lee909 · 04-14-2020, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

So when you combine the TDs, CMC leads in every category outside of return yds. But stats aren't the whole story here. There is much more telling data.

I'd be willing to give this more credit if Kamara had ever been an MVP candidate.

My point isn't Kamara has better stats but they are not far off. The idea he plays for 10ml in a world McCaffrey gets 16ml is silly.

Also the WR Caroline have getting no respect when saying CMC is only weapon. DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel are both very good players

04-13-2020, 10:13 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision It would be a mistake to pay more than 10m per year. RBs are a product of the system and O line. Also, they are often injured and rarely come back from injuries well. That all said, we just signed Peat to the single dumbest contract I have seen so anything can happen. Edit: Others posted about RBs not growing on trees... I’d disagree with that for Payton. He knows how to scheme and be effective with any RB. Outside of 2010 (injuries) when have we had poor RBs? You all remember K. Robinson right? People compared home to Curtis Martin lol... he sucked when he left. I appreciate AK, but he isn’t worth losing another good vital player in order to pay him. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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04-13-2020, 10:22 PM	#12
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Originally Posted by lee909 His Agent will be asking for at least 14/15ml Kamara played 3 games less McCaffrey - Kamara CMC numbers first Rushing yards: 2,920 - 2408 Rushing average: 4.7 - 5.0 Rushing touchdowns: 24 - 27 Receptions: 303 - 243 Receiving yards: 2,523 - 2068 Receiving touchdowns: 15 - 10 Return yards: 220 - 585 (1TD) Cmc was the only weapon Carolina had so I believe his stats are gorilla over kamara Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-13-2020, 10:31 PM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,067 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Well based on AK's production in 2019, the Saints front office brass should allow him to play out 2020 (assuming we do have a season) for his cap hit of 2M, then reassess his worth in a year when you have the option to let him hit Free Agency, franchise him or extend. He will eventually get paid, however not C McCaffery type coin.

04-13-2020, 10:46 PM	#14
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Originally Posted by lee909 His Agent will be asking for at least 14/15ml Kamara played 3 games less McCaffrey - Kamara CMC numbers first Rushing yards: 2,920 - 2408 Rushing average: 4.7 - 5.0 Rushing touchdowns: 24 - 27 Receptions: 303 - 243 Receiving yards: 2,523 - 2068 Receiving touchdowns: 15 - 10 Return yards: 220 - 585 (1TD) So when you combine the TDs, CMC leads in every category outside of return yds. But stats aren't the whole story here. There is much more telling data. I'd be willing to give this more credit if Kamara had ever been an MVP candidate.

04-14-2020, 07:00 AM	#15
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Will he hold out? That's the real question. I would. Great question. I would too. Especially as a running back. This is his only chance at a big payday.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision I would trade him or let him play out his contract. He's not a #1 rb( Derick Henry type bell cow back) and if Payton uses him that way he's going to get hurt. There are some really good backs in the draft this year and picking up one would go a long way for production and money. If Kamara would want top money it would be a huge mistake to give it to him. RefsRobbedUs likes this.

04-14-2020, 09:02 AM	#17
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,742	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Double edged sword.. -Let him play his tail off for the new contract and we reap the rewards. -He goes off and we have to break the bank. Paytons belief in #41's gridiron IQ is why we do everything to keep him.Sean will go to bat heavily on this one I'm thinking... Then Mickey weighs it out and capitalizes somehow. Could be a shocker draft day..
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04-14-2020, 09:35 AM	#18
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Originally Posted by K Major Well based on AK's production in 2019, the Saints front office brass should allow him to play out 2020 (assuming we do have a season) for his cap hit of 2M, then reassess his worth in a year when you have the option to let him hit Free Agency, franchise him or extend. He will eventually get paid, however not C McCaffery type coin. Then he'll hold out. And I can't argue with him.... $2MM is not enough for how much he's involved in the offense.

04-14-2020, 10:11 AM	#19
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Ask the rams how they feel about paying for gurley now? Was he hurt or made a business decision is not what I’m saying , like someone said above he’s not a bell cow but part of a scheme. Kamara that is.Bell cows should get paid. People want to pay huge contacts to players that run off the field after every 2 plays . To me AK has been half asred figured out. My Analytics say Kamara gets the ball 75% of the time when he’s (in) the game . Take him out and you will force a punt. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Beastmode likes this.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

04-14-2020, 11:00 AM	#20
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,778 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Alvin Kamara looms as Saints' next big contract decision Originally Posted by shawnkytonk So when you combine the TDs, CMC leads in every category outside of return yds. But stats aren't the whole story here. There is much more telling data. I'd be willing to give this more credit if Kamara had ever been an MVP candidate. My point isn't Kamara has better stats but they are not far off. The idea he plays for 10ml in a world McCaffrey gets 16ml is silly. Also the WR Caroline have getting no respect when saying CMC is only weapon. DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel are both very good players