IF Tua falls....

jeanpierre · 04-18-2020, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

#CheckTheMedicals

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

#CheckTheWonderlic

That scares me more.

Originally Posted by stickman

I don't put any stock in the Wonderlic. I look at it as an excuse not to draft someone. It's like the closer the draft gets, the more GMs need a reason not to draft someone. This gives them an out... "We didn't like his Wonderlic score."

I'd like to see a correlation of Playoff WAR stats of QBs to their wonderlic, may have to email ProFootballReference on that one...

Anecdotally speaking, when you consider the most successful quarterbacks in the playoffs, many of them scored very high on the Wonderlic Exam...

K Major · 04-18-2020, 05:21 PM

Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level.

IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB.

The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2020, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I don't put any stock in the Wonderlic. I look at it as an excuse not to draft someone. It's like the closer the draft gets, the more GMs need a reason not to draft someone. This gives them an out... "We didn't like his Wonderlic score."

I could see your point if the score was average, but Tua was only able to manage a 13! That sucks. Especially for a position that requires quick analytical skills in an offense as complex as Payton's ... and most others in the league these days.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2020, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level.

IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB.

The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success.

Lamar Jackson, you'd have to admit, is not your prototypical NFL QB. He is basically a RB playing in a fulltime wildcat role. He is not asked to process complex offensive schemes. He simply reacts to what he sees physically in an RPO 90% of the time. How successful that is going to be in the long term is questionable. It certainly didn't get them far in the postseason.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2020, 05:56 PM

Interesting side note ... tied for the third highest Wonderlic score in NFL history is former Saints TE, Ben Watson, with a 48 out of the maximum 50. The rest of the top five were ...

T-3 - 48 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - QB
T-3 - 48 - Kevin Curtis - WR
2 - 49 - Mike Mamula - DE
1 - 50 - Pat McInally - Punter (only perfect score ever)

K Major · 04-18-2020, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Lamar Jackson, you'd have to admit, is not your prototypical NFL QB. He is basically a RB playing in a fulltime wildcat role. He is not asked to process complex offensive schemes. He simply reacts to what he sees physically in an RPO 90% of the time. How successful that is going to be in the long term is questionable. It certainly didn't get them far in the postseason.

What was the Saints excuse in 2019 post season ?

As for Lamar, he had over 3k yards passing last season. I'd say he's more than just a wildcat QB.

Rugby Saint II · 04-18-2020, 07:11 PM

If he falls then we should be looking for trade partners. Payton has said that this is not the year to gamble on injuries. If no trades are available then we should go BPA at a position of need.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2020, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What was the Saints excuse in 2019 post season ?

As for Lamar, he had over 3k yards passing last season. I'd say he's more than just a wildcat QB.

You know the Saints excuse. Half the starting defensive line went down. Lost two starters from the LB corps. Peat playing hurt at LG. Kamara still gimpy from the ankle.

Jackson had a huge statistical game yards wise, but he had a ****ty 63.2 passer rating, threw two picks and was sacked four times. He was in over his head. All he did was throw the ball up 51 times and run (because he is a RB) for 143 yards. Oh, and he also fumbled.

He couldn't produce a TD until the 4th quarter when the Titans were in the prevent defense. It was 28-6 at the time and he missed the two point attempt on that play.

He will never sniff another MVP.

K Major · 04-18-2020, 08:13 PM

^^^ same excuses …

Back on topic. Saints should pass on Tua.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2020, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^ same excuses …

Back on topic. Saints should pass on Tua.

Duh!

04-18-2020, 04:30 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by jeanpierre #CheckTheMedicals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido #CheckTheWonderlic That scares me more. Originally Posted by stickman I don't put any stock in the Wonderlic. I look at it as an excuse not to draft someone. It's like the closer the draft gets, the more GMs need a reason not to draft someone. This gives them an out... "We didn't like his Wonderlic score." I'd like to see a correlation of Playoff WAR stats of QBs to their wonderlic, may have to email ProFootballReference on that one... Anecdotally speaking, when you consider the most successful quarterbacks in the playoffs, many of them scored very high on the Wonderlic Exam... SmashMouth likes this.

04-18-2020, 05:21 PM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IF Tua falls.... Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level. IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB. The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success. SmashMouth and darksoul35 like this.

04-18-2020, 05:40 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by stickman I don't put any stock in the Wonderlic. I look at it as an excuse not to draft someone. It's like the closer the draft gets, the more GMs need a reason not to draft someone. This gives them an out... "We didn't like his Wonderlic score." I could see your point if the score was average, but Tua was only able to manage a 13! That sucks. Especially for a position that requires quick analytical skills in an offense as complex as Payton's ... and most others in the league these days.

04-18-2020, 05:46 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by K Major Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level. IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB. The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success. Lamar Jackson, you'd have to admit, is not your prototypical NFL QB. He is basically a RB playing in a fulltime wildcat role. He is not asked to process complex offensive schemes. He simply reacts to what he sees physically in an RPO 90% of the time. How successful that is going to be in the long term is questionable. It certainly didn't get them far in the postseason.

04-18-2020, 05:56 PM	#15
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Interesting side note ... tied for the third highest Wonderlic score in NFL history is former Saints TE, Ben Watson, with a 48 out of the maximum 50. The rest of the top five were ... T-3 - 48 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - QB T-3 - 48 - Kevin Curtis - WR 2 - 49 - Mike Mamula - DE 1 - 50 - Pat McInally - Punter (only perfect score ever) SmashMouth and MarchingOn like this.

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04-18-2020, 06:33 PM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Lamar Jackson, you'd have to admit, is not your prototypical NFL QB. He is basically a RB playing in a fulltime wildcat role. He is not asked to process complex offensive schemes. He simply reacts to what he sees physically in an RPO 90% of the time. How successful that is going to be in the long term is questionable. It certainly didn't get them far in the postseason. What was the Saints excuse in 2019 post season ? As for Lamar, he had over 3k yards passing last season. I'd say he's more than just a wildcat QB.

04-18-2020, 07:11 PM	#17
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: IF Tua falls.... If he falls then we should be looking for trade partners. Payton has said that this is not the year to gamble on injuries. If no trades are available then we should go BPA at a position of need.

04-18-2020, 07:34 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by K Major What was the Saints excuse in 2019 post season ? As for Lamar, he had over 3k yards passing last season. I'd say he's more than just a wildcat QB. You know the Saints excuse. Half the starting defensive line went down. Lost two starters from the LB corps. Peat playing hurt at LG. Kamara still gimpy from the ankle. Jackson had a huge statistical game yards wise, but he had a ****ty 63.2 passer rating, threw two picks and was sacked four times. He was in over his head. All he did was throw the ball up 51 times and run (because he is a RB) for 143 yards. Oh, and he also fumbled. He couldn't produce a TD until the 4th quarter when the Titans were in the prevent defense. It was 28-6 at the time and he missed the two point attempt on that play. He will never sniff another MVP.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-18-2020, 08:13 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IF Tua falls.... ^^^ same excuses … Back on topic. Saints should pass on Tua.

04-18-2020, 09:32 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by K Major ^^^ same excuses … Back on topic. Saints should pass on Tua. Duh!