IF Tua falls....

lee909 · 04-19-2020, 06:39 AM

The wonderlic makes me laugh. Always brought up with QB that fail, the players with great scores that are useless it's never mentioned

Euphoria · 04-19-2020, 11:18 AM

I am just not a fan.

I think we'd be better off snagging a player we can play now. We are in the mist of a SB win nor or else. The future be damned.

So I would trade up get a pass rusher or LB who can come in and play. Perhaps even another WR or even an OL.

Lord_Saint83 · 04-19-2020, 11:27 AM

Not sold on tua but if hurts is there in the third i would love us to get him.

AsylumGuido · 04-19-2020, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

The wonderlic makes me laugh. Always brought up with QB that fail, the players with great scores that are useless it's never mentioned

Analytical and quick processing are not as important for many positions as others. QB, center and defensive play caller (green dot). are positions where it is critical. Some will argue that TE falls into that category, as well, given they actually play so many multiple positions depending upon the play call ... TE, RB, FB, o-line, slot, wideout, etc.

jeanpierre · 04-19-2020, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd like to see a correlation of Playoff WAR stats of QBs to their wonderlic, may have to email ProFootballReference on that one...

Anecdotally speaking, when you consider the most successful quarterbacks in the playoffs, many of them scored very high on the Wonderlic Exam...

Originally Posted by K Major

Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level.

IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB.

The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success.

That's why I was asking about Wins Above Others to Playoff Success...

Jackson was amazing week-to-week, but when faced with elite teams, he was frustrated and shut down...

The guy's that can process and adapt quicker, in the playoffs, anecdotally speaking, seem to have higher wonderlic scores...

K Major · 04-19-2020, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Not sold on tua but if hurts is there in the third i would love us to get him.

Yes sir.

Outside of Burrow, I'm not all that impressed with the media darlings ... Love, Easton, Hebert, Fromm etc.

If Jalen slides to the third ... excellent value.

TheOak · 04-19-2020, 05:29 PM

WPT-R measures cognitive capacity, not physicality, athleticism, or motivation. It is a piece of a puzzle not a litmus paper. It does not score cognitive proficiency.

The puzzle isn't just the position, a higher wonderlic should correlate to more of an ability to sort **** out on the field if the coach is a dipsh1t.

Its not a Go-Nogo test, but it isn't worthless either. It is a tool, one that most people dismiss because they do not understand it.

K Major · 04-19-2020, 06:54 PM

The scores should have remained confidential, yet every year they conveniently leak a week or so before draft day.

BTW, an updated wonderlic score for Tua was 19 and Jalen Hurts 21.

jeanpierre · 04-19-2020, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The scores should have remained confidential, yet every year they conveniently leak a week or so before draft day.

BTW, an updated wonderlic score for Tua was 19 and Jalen Hurts 21.

Can't understand how these kids continue to sign with the same idiot agents because of politics and these same agents let these prospects take the Wonderlic without preparation...

TheOak · 04-20-2020, 03:17 AM

JP ~ WPT-R is an IQ test and there isnt much preperation that a person can do. Also, if you could and did teach someone how to score better on an IQ test, the results would be meaningless. They didn't have the IQ to sort it for themselves.

For what it is worth, if I am about to hire someone for $400k+ a year.. I want them to take the WPT-R, IQ, Color Blind test, Rorscach Test, they may even take the Pepsi Challenge.

04-19-2020, 06:39 AM	#21
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: IF Tua falls.... The wonderlic makes me laugh. Always brought up with QB that fail, the players with great scores that are useless it's never mentioned

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: IF Tua falls.... I am just not a fan. I think we'd be better off snagging a player we can play now. We are in the mist of a SB win nor or else. The future be damned. So I would trade up get a pass rusher or LB who can come in and play. Perhaps even another WR or even an OL.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by lee909 The wonderlic makes me laugh. Always brought up with QB that fail, the players with great scores that are useless it's never mentioned Analytical and quick processing are not as important for many positions as others. QB, center and defensive play caller (green dot). are positions where it is critical. Some will argue that TE falls into that category, as well, given they actually play so many multiple positions depending upon the play call ... TE, RB, FB, o-line, slot, wideout, etc. jeanpierre likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd like to see a correlation of Playoff WAR stats of QBs to their wonderlic, may have to email ProFootballReference on that one... Anecdotally speaking, when you consider the most successful quarterbacks in the playoffs, many of them scored very high on the Wonderlic Exam... Originally Posted by K Major Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level. IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB. The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success. That's why I was asking about Wins Above Others to Playoff Success... Jackson was amazing week-to-week, but when faced with elite teams, he was frustrated and shut down... The guy's that can process and adapt quicker, in the playoffs, anecdotally speaking, seem to have higher wonderlic scores... SmashMouth likes this.

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04-19-2020, 03:19 PM	#26
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Not sold on tua but if hurts is there in the third i would love us to get him. Yes sir. Outside of Burrow, I'm not all that impressed with the media darlings ... Love, Easton, Hebert, Fromm etc. If Jalen slides to the third ... excellent value. SmashMouth likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: IF Tua falls.... WPT-R measures cognitive capacity, not physicality, athleticism, or motivation. It is a piece of a puzzle not a litmus paper. It does not score cognitive proficiency. The puzzle isn't just the position, a higher wonderlic should correlate to more of an ability to sort **** out on the field if the coach is a dipsh1t. Its not a Go-Nogo test, but it isn't worthless either. It is a tool, one that most people dismiss because they do not understand it. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IF Tua falls.... The scores should have remained confidential, yet every year they conveniently leak a week or so before draft day. BTW, an updated wonderlic score for Tua was 19 and Jalen Hurts 21.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: IF Tua falls.... Originally Posted by K Major The scores should have remained confidential, yet every year they conveniently leak a week or so before draft day. BTW, an updated wonderlic score for Tua was 19 and Jalen Hurts 21. Can't understand how these kids continue to sign with the same idiot agents because of politics and these same agents let these prospects take the Wonderlic without preparation... MarchingOn likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: IF Tua falls.... JP ~ WPT-R is an IQ test and there isnt much preperation that a person can do. Also, if you could and did teach someone how to score better on an IQ test, the results would be meaningless. They didn't have the IQ to sort it for themselves. For what it is worth, if I am about to hire someone for $400k+ a year.. I want them to take the WPT-R, IQ, Color Blind test, Rorscach Test, they may even take the Pepsi Challenge. Danno, saintsfan1976 and jeanpierre like this.