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gulfgambler 04-26-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 887362)
Will he change his name from "Cab Legs" to "CrawFish Legs" ... or will he always be "Crab Legs"?

Not unless he goes to Rouses and bypasses the check out lanes

Lord_Saint83 04-26-2020 10:25 AM

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I think this is a very good move. If sean didn't think he could straighten and coach him up he wouldn't of been bothered with him. Yes jameis immature but tampa never had that structure that new orleans has. He's got a ton of talent and potential and sean, drew, and joe can work with him. He might even be the qb when drew does call it a day.

neugey 04-26-2020 10:33 AM

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Worth a shot I suppose. If lots of osmosis occurs between Brees and Jameis this could work out.

RefsRobbedUs 04-26-2020 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 887367)
OF COURSE!!
NFL GM'S ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS WHEN IT COMES TO WHICH PLAYERS HAVE BEEN RELEASED BY WHAT TEAM!

IF ONLY THE NFL HAD A SYSTEM, I KNOW THEY COULD CALL IT THE "WAIVER WIRE" :rolleyes:"

REMEMBER WHEN MIKE McCARTHY ATTEMPTED TO "SNEAK" TAYSOM HILL ONTO THE GREEN BAY PS?

HIS BIG MISTAKE WAS NOT PUTTING THE BLACK FRAME GLASSES WITH BIG NOSE AND FAKE MUSTACHE ON HIM. WORKS EVERY TIME!!!

LITTLE KNOWN SECRET IS THAT DREW BREES WAS WEARING THOSE WHEN THE DOLPHINS BROUGHT HIM IN!!

ONLY NICK SABAN RECOGNIZED HIM BUT NO ONE ELSE DID! HEARD THAT ON SERIOUS FM'S HUMPING THE HASH MARKS!!!

PAYTON AND DARREN SHARPER TOOK HIM OUT "ON THE TOWN" AND GOT HIM SMASHED. SUPER GLUED THE GLASSES ON HIM AND WELL THE REST IS AS THEY SAY "HISTORY"

THAT "BIRTHMARK" ON HIS FACE IS FROM SCRAPING THE SUPER GLUE OFF!!

IF BOSTON SCOTT HAD LEFT HIS "DISGUISE" ON HE'D STILL BE A SAINT!!!

OZIGBO FLAT OUT REFUSED TO WEAR HIS, THAT'S HOW HE BECAME A JAGUAR!! HIS CAREER STATS BY THE WAY 9 RUSHES FOR A WHOPPING 27 YARDS!! (CHAMPIONSHIP)



easy on the bold meth and red bulls

SmashMouth 04-26-2020 10:44 AM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-for-everyone/

SmashMouth 04-26-2020 10:49 AM

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So was Andy Dalton not considered?

The Dude 04-26-2020 10:50 AM

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Just saw a pop up that the Saints extended Taysoms contract. I can’t confirm it because I clicked out of the NFL app and can’t get back in.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 887415)
Just saw a pop up that the Saints extended Taysoms contract. I can’t confirm it because I clicked out of the NFL app and can’t get back in.

I read it on NFLrumors!

The Dude 04-26-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 887416)
I read it on NFLrumors!

It’s true per Tripplet. 2 year deal around 4 mil/year. Could they have done this to move him?

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 887417)
It’s true per Tripplet. 2 year deal around 4 mil/year. Could they have done this to move him?

They did it to lock him up. He's not going anywhere. I think they have plans for both him and Tommy Stevens to be non-QB offensive weapons for the foreseeable future.

SmashMouth 04-26-2020 10:56 AM

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If the Saints wait until 4 p.m. Monday or later to officially sign Winston, he won't count against this year's compensatory draft choice formula.

The Saints will have to get creative, as usual, to make room for Winston financially, since they have only about $4 million in salary-cap space and still need to make room for their draft picks and a possible long-term extension with running back Alvin Kamara, among others. But Winston's deal would likely include voidable years that spread out any cap hit. And as a bonus incentive for signing Winston, if he were to leave in free agency next year and wind up starting for another team, the Saints could possibly earn a high-end compensatory draft pick.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ssing-contract

The Dude 04-26-2020 11:03 AM

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Wow 21 mil. He’s staying.

blackangold 04-26-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 887422)

Lol
Wonder what Winston’s contract is going to be. We will have more money tied up to QBs than any other team. I won’t be disappointed in the Winston contract as long as it’s cheap, but if it turns out to be 10+mil, why not spend that money on a big time impact player? There were plenty of DTs or DEs that could have been signed for less than 10mil per year.

Halo 04-26-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 887429)
Lol
Wonder what Winston’s contract is going to be. We will have more money tied up to QBs than any other team. I won’t be disappointed in the Winston contract as long as it’s cheap, but if it turns out to be 10+mil, why not spend that money on a big time impact player? There were plenty of DTs or DEs that could have been signed for less than 10mil per year.

I don't know how we could give Jameis 10 million when we just guaranteed Tayson Hill 16 million over a few years. I'm curious if the Jameis signing will actually happen.

If we're going to drop 10 million, bring in a veteran Wide Receiver so we are guaranteed loaded with weapons and have depth with receivers.

NOLA54 04-26-2020 12:22 PM

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He does have skills. He just needs a brain.

blackangold 04-26-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 887443)
He does have skills. He just needs a brain.

I want to be clear, as I have been critical of Winston in this thread. I think he has the ability to be a great QB but he lacks the mental liquidity to make the correct throws and anticipate defensive schemes. Now perhaps that eye surgery he had will make him see the field better. Perhaps he turns it around and becomes an amazing QB.

My issue is not with Winston, it is with a large contract being paid to a position that will likely have no impact. Putting teddy in when Drew was hurt was a low risk move, but if we have to put Winston in... why not just roll with Hill who is less risky and supposedly the next Steve Young.

It makes as much sense as overpaying for a LG and having a RG who went to the pro bowl, then you draft a G in the first round for a Super Bowl ready team.

These moves don’t smell like a win now mentality, but perhaps that’s the right approach...

rezburna 04-26-2020 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 887443)
He does have skills. He just needs a brain.

His Wonderlic score was 1 point shy of Peyton Manning and that’s who his football IQ was often compared to. He has a brilliant football mind. The Buccaneers have been a horribly run franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs since my senior year of high school. Jameis Winston went into a bad situation. Now he’s in a good one.

dam1953 04-26-2020 12:58 PM

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Here’s an interesting read and perspective...

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020...contract-news/

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 887439)
I don't know how we could give Jameis 10 million when we just guaranteed Tayson Hill 16 million over a few years. I'm curious if the Jameis signing will actually happen.

If we're going to drop 10 million, bring in a veteran Wide Receiver so we are guaranteed loaded with weapons and have depth with receivers.

We did lock up a receiver. His name is Taysom Hill. If you think he was extended to be a QB I have some beach front property to sell you in Ouachita Parish.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 887445)
I want to be clear, as I have been critical of Winston in this thread. I think he has the ability to be a great QB but he lacks the mental liquidity to make the correct throws and anticipate defensive schemes. Now perhaps that eye surgery he had will make him see the field better. Perhaps he turns it around and becomes an amazing QB.

My issue is not with Winston, it is with a large contract being paid to a position that will likely have no impact. Putting teddy in when Drew was hurt was a low risk move, but if we have to put Winston in... why not just roll with Hill who is less risky and supposedly the next Steve Young.

It makes as much sense as overpaying for a LG and having a RG who went to the pro bowl, then you draft a G in the first round for a Super Bowl ready team.

These moves don’t smell like a win now mentality, but perhaps that’s the right approach...

Because Hill isn't the QB of the future, nor the backup. THAT is clear.

This absolutely reeks of a win now mentality to me. Get a cheap Winston on a one year deal so you can use Hill to his fullest capacity as a WR/everything else.

frydaddy 04-26-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 887445)
I want to be clear, as I have been critical of Winston in this thread. I think he has the ability to be a great QB but he lacks the mental liquidity to make the correct throws and anticipate defensive schemes. Now perhaps that eye surgery he had will make him see the field better. Perhaps he turns it around and becomes an amazing QB.

My issue is not with Winston, it is with a large contract being paid to a position that will likely have no impact. Putting teddy in when Drew was hurt was a low risk move, but if we have to put Winston in... why not just roll with Hill who is less risky and supposedly the next Steve Young.

It makes as much sense as overpaying for a LG and having a RG who went to the pro bowl, then you draft a G in the first round for a Super Bowl ready team.

These moves don’t smell like a win now mentality, but perhaps that’s the right approach...

Well we don't know what the details of the contract will be. My guess is that it will be a pretty cheap deal. As to the assumption that Taysom is less of a risk than Winston if Drew goes down, I have to disagree. Winston has played 5 seasons as a starter in this league. Taysom has thrown less than 10 passes in his career thus far. At no point has he shown that he is anywhere near ready to take over as a starter. The Steve Young comparison is wishful thinking on Payton's part. I love Taysom and all that he brings to the table, but potential starter ability is not one of those things, unless in extreme emergency. He has found his role in this league and needs to accept that he will never be a starter, probably not even a legit #2.

voodooido 04-26-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 887333)
Quick - name another backup QB who threw for 5,000yds and 30 TDs.

I’ll wait.

You forgot the 30 interceptions. Can you name one backup that tree 30 ints? I’ll wait.....

44Champs 04-26-2020 01:46 PM

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I'm worried more about him being a cancer in the locker Room than his play on the field

XLIV CHAMPS

blackangold 04-26-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 887451)
Because Hill isn't the QB of the future, nor the backup. THAT is clear.

This absolutely reeks of a win now mentality to me. Get a cheap Winston on a one year deal so you can use Hill to his fullest capacity as a WR/everything else.

I don’t agree it being a win now mentality, it’s the opposite, in fact you’d have to perform mental gymnastics to take that position. That said I am not shocked your towing the company line, I’ve never read a post from you criticizing the front office.

Hill would have been used to his fullest capability every game, this isn’t the NBA. Let’s not forget we just drafted a QB who is basically the same skill set as Hill.

You also don’t know it’s cheap, but what do you consider cheap? Then look at what you could have had through FA or trade acquisition that would have been better for example, trading for the Jags DE.

Lord_Saint83 04-26-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 887459)
You forgot the 30 interceptions. Can you name one backup that tree 30 ints? I’ll wait.....


Nathan peterman was on track

The Dude 04-26-2020 02:07 PM

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He will be trade bait for a contending franchise that has a QB go down. He’s an ******* and I don’t see how he fits into our locker room.
Could be worse, it could be Newton.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 887463)
He will be trade bait for a contending franchise that has a QB go down. He’s an ******* and I don’t see how he fits into our locker room.
Could be worse, it could be Newton.

Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him.

rezburna 04-26-2020 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 887464)
Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him.

Exactly.

homerj07 04-26-2020 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 887332)
Good. Lots of upside with this dude. I know a lot of people here make fun of him (me too, pre game speeches etc.) but his talent can't be ignored. When Drew retires we may have franchise QB tied to his prime years at reasonable price. I like Taysom Hill but he isn't long term answer at QB position.

Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS.

He will be a cancer in the locker room.

I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now. :disgust:

AsylumGuido 04-26-2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 887467)
Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS.

He will be a cancer in the locker room.

I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now. :disgust:

He'll be anything but a cancer in the locker room. I'm not a huge fan, but I do know for a FACT that the other players love him. Even Saints players are giving their support. I can see how he might be a cancer on the living room sofa for some fans, but it is a very smart move for the Saints and I am sure they care more about winning than a few selected fans' personal feelings.

saintfan 04-26-2020 03:16 PM

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Not a fan.

Having said that, I'm hearing he took less to come here. Look, the guy doesn't suck. He clearly has talent, and there is no other person on Earth better suited to get his head right from a QB perspective than Sean. Drew is the consummate professional at the position and maybe Winston has his wig on right enough to fully understand the opportunity he'll have in New Orleans to revitalize his career, whether that be here or elsewhere.

He's a Saints player now. I'm 100% pulling for the man.

K Major 04-26-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 887460)
I'm worried more about him being a cancer in the locker Room than his play on the field

XLIV CHAMPS

You may want to "worry" about other things. Saints have one of the strongest locker rooms in the league. Eli Apple was "perceived" as a cancer. Didn't have a single issue in New Orleans. None.

Jimmy Dickens
Junior Gallette
Brandin Cooks .. all shown the door.

Players are either all in to what we do here or find another team to play for.

Winston won't be any different. By all accounts, he's been a likeable player by his peers.

saintsfan1976 04-26-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 887372)
Quick, tell me how many QB starved teams opted to sign this moron...

I'll wait.

Lol

I can't. I'm willing to bet you can't either. But I'm wiling to wager he add other offers. It's not like the Saints aren't desirable, especially for QBs.

saintsfan1976 04-26-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 887382)
Is he though?

I mean if your aim for a QB is to throw points to the other team it’s a great signing. At least with Teddy we had a ball control guy that was competent in making good calls....

I don’t get it, between this and signing peat to a huge contract it seems like they are missing the boat. Hope this isn’t the level of competence we will see after Drew.

Please research Peat's contract. It's VERY team friendly.

Regarding JW, he won a Natty. Made a Probowl. Typically throws around a 60% completion rate. He's got the goods man. He's just 26 years old and supremely under-achieving.

What's wrong with giving him a year here without stress and spotlight to see if he can grow?

SmashMouth 04-26-2020 03:35 PM

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gulfgambler 04-26-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 887469)
Not a fan.


He's a Saints player now. I'm 100% pulling for the man.

Me too; hope he throws 12td and no picks in preseason.
then carries clip board/i pad throughout the season and playoffs and gets his
1st SB ring

The Dude 04-26-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 887473)

Wtf is that supposed to mean?

Rugby Saint II 04-26-2020 04:45 PM

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When I read this I was totally shocked! :awe: I'm not sold on his football intelligence or emotional stability. He has a nasty interception ratio to TD's and I'm nervous as hell about him ever being under center.

The man threw for over 5,000 yards last season and it's clear to me that Payton believes that he could give us something close to what Teddy did last year if Drew were to go down again. So, I'll just have to hope he never sees the field.

stickman 04-26-2020 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 887483)
Wtf is that supposed to mean?

Doesn't he wear the same number Winston wore in Tampa Bay?

lee909 04-26-2020 05:37 PM

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Don't see the downside here

Best case- we find a QB that can hold the Fort when Drew steps away. He's never going to be a Brady or Brees but Eli took the Giants to two superbowl with the right team, hell Flacco, Foles and even Osweiler have led teams to the superbowl.

Alternatively a team gets a injury in preseason and trades for him or he draws enough attention to draw a good contract next year and gains us a comp pick.

At worst, the teams doesn't like what it sees and he gets cut or hold a clipboard for a while.


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