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They were 1st against the run because they were so horrible against the pass (29th) that teams didn't attempt to run as much against them. 4th fewest rushing attempts against in the league.

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Comes full circle. Defenses will get smaller and faster so offenses will eventually get bigger with bruiser backs and big possession receivers that are hard to bring down. Plus running QBs will probably be around 5yrs or so average. My take anyway.
Then again I don’t know much about this.

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It’s official now:

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I agree. Look at Tenn. with Henry, a punishing rb going against a small lb, cb or s, with a full steam, not very many want to get flattened like a cat hit by a mack truck.

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Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW.

A lot of you people that were talking smack about Teddy are going to be missing him dearly if Winston sees much playing time next year, or whatever year they play again.

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I just keep telling myself he’s just a backup and it’s not like we are bringing him in to start. Who knows maybe he will get his act together but I am not holding my breath. He’s a better Qb than Teddy but I would still take Teddy as backup any day. We won games with Teddy because he didn’t turn the ball over and let the defense and special teams do their jobs.. Can’t say the same for Winston.

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15th in total yards... put whatever other spin you want on it.

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Severe aptitude issue. Also lazy. Would not be surprised if he gets beat out in camp and cut by a rookie. I actually expect this happening. He doesn't have that level of commitment. Relies on his physical attributes and calls it a day.

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If Tom Brady just came in to my division I might pick up his new team's last QB for a year as well.

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That's not spin. It's pretty evident.

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:rofl:

You want to place a bet on that? LOL!!

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Winston had an historic season for INT's. No doubt 2019 was abysmal in that department. But historically, Jameis has had statistical seasons very similar to Drew Brees.

I"m not smart enough to see his INT's were all his fault so I'll trust that you do.

And I don't recall anyone here giving Teddy B anything but love and appreciation for his time and accomplishments in New Orleans. He was the ideal teammate and backup QB who was just too good (expensive) to keep on the bench. We'll ALL miss that kind of player.

But your insinuation that Winston will produce the same level of INTs in a new offense with new players and coaches is a stretch IMO. We'll see.

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Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU. :bugeyes:

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Big Daddy Payton doing some fine eating tonight

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the upside for JW is really high.

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And if reports are accurate he turned down a more lucrative offer then this is not all about money for him and indicates some level of commitment to the game

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I was curious so I researched further. Nick Underhill has a great article out today in which he examines every single interception Winston threw in the 2019 season.

https://neworleans.football/breaking...ds-to-improve/

I won't share it all. Nick's site requires a subscription and he lives off the money. But here's a sample:

Jameis Winston can be an outstanding quarterback.

There have been moments and games throughout his career where he looks the part, the prodigious talent who was once a first-overall draft pick. There have been times when he lived up to the Peyton Manning comparisons he drew coming out of Florida State, and there were probably times when Tampa Bay, at least early on, believed he would be the backbone of the franchise.

But those moments never seemed to last more than a moment, because the bad version of Winston, the one who loses games for his team, always showed up to derail his progress. Some things happened in Tampa Bay last season that were not entirely his fault, but there is a reason no one wants him to start.

To better understand why that is happening, and what led him to New Orleans’ doorstep, I decided to watch Winston’s worst moments. I know he has ridiculous talent — everyone does – but he is signing with the Saints because he has significant issues and needs help. I wanted to see those issues for myself and gain an understanding of what Winston might be focusing on during the next year. So, I decided to breakdown all 30 of his interceptions last year to help paint a picture.

Nick goes on to state Winston threw 14 INTs under pressure and saw that pressure on 30% of his drop backs (o line). For comparison, Brees saw pressure 18% of drop backs.

I would highly recommend subscribing. Nick's content has been the best of his peers for years now.

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It's not just picks. Last 3 years he fumbled 34 times.

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Would you rather we signed Chase Daniels, Brian Hoyer or Cooper Rush? Three guys who probably aren't going to win you a game if heaven forbid Brees ever got hurt.

Winston is probably the best "back up" out there.

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Chances are he'll likely never play a meaningful snap for the Saints. The only reason Bridgewater got a chance was a fluke play that might occur one time in 10161 (number of Brees career pass attempts).

That said, he would give a a better chance at winning than any other choice out there. Let's hope we never see him, though.

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However, 15 pages dedicated to a backup QB has done a lot for our offseason discussions!

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This is what I was thinking. Winston must have some insight into the Tampa Bay offense, right? I'm sure we can benefit from that somehow.

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I seriously doubt it. The Bucs will most likely adjust to fit what Brady knows instead of asking him to adjust to their system. Same scenario as when Manning went to Denver.

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So Winston's base salary is 1.1M for the season?

That is a bargain if you'll ever see one with zero risk.

Seems like a guy who wants to get better (he's only 26) at his craft, sit behind the best in the biz & become a starter again. Not saying it's in New Orleans but you never know. That says a lot of about his commitment at QB.

Humbling.

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Didn't really work very well for Manning. Yes, he got a ring....thanks to the D. Granted Manning was playing hurt, and he only played 9 games, but taking that into consideration his numbers that year weren't that great. Completion %, TD %, Int % were all off.

The other issue is that Brady won't be playing in the AFC East.

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They do have a lot of LSU linebackers. Only one starts though. I think. Don’t quote me.

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OK, yeah, a few INT's can be laid to rest on their WR's but it's 30 dude. 30. Even if you give the receivers 10 he's still 30/20 on the season, that's not good. I live under the Tampa umbrella so I can't help but see a lot of Tampa football. He's always been a unprompted turnover machine, not just last season. If you think a leopard can change his spots more power to you, I have no faith. I've seen too much bad football. We lose Drew for any serious time I have zero confidence in this guy chewing any W's for us.

As to Teddy, I'm not sure what board you've been reading but Teddy did not get much love on this one nor much credit for his 5 W's. Defense got it, Sean's game planning got it. Capt. Checkdown I heard a lot. And don't let the door hit ya when he left.

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Point taken, it is slim pickins out there.

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Winston is a better QB under pressure than having a clean pocket by the stats.

Also Adrian's has a long history of being a disaster with QBs in his first year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoot...ce-arians/amp/

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I still want to know why people are certain Hill has done enough and deserves a shot.

He will be 31 next season, his first as starter(probably)

So far
13 pass attempts
6 completed
46.2 completion percentage
119 yards
0 TDs
1 Interception
2 Sacks
1 lost fumble

I mean we also have Emmanuel Sanders on the rosters
3 pass attempts
3 complete
78 yards
2 TDs

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I was grocery shopping today and my check out clerk asked me what I thought about Winston. I didn't know if he liked him or not so I simply said he threw for over 5,000 yards and Payton is a good coach. I also said he threw too many interceptions to be comfortable with him now. I couldn't help but mention that I will always call him crab legs.

Then he asked me about Cam Newton. I rolled my eyes and said someone will sign him.

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Over at the Bucs' forums they are wondering why he wouldn't just sign a similar contract with them and apprentice under Brady - if he just wanted to learn from a future HoF QB.

What they are missing is that Brady and Brees seem to have a very different perspective to their understudies. As an example, Brady reportedly didn't do anything for Jimmy G and in fact pressured the FO to get rid of him.

Also, Winston probably didn't see his working relationship with Arians to be as beneficial for his future as working with SP.

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My guess is he wasn't offered a deal

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We are lucky to have Brees. He is all about TEAM success...

Just look at the reports about Aaron Rodgers. Dude has been put in position similar to Drew Brees almost entire career and all he does is bi*ch and moan. Now they drafted QB in the first round and there already reports about Rodgers displeasure (Favre interview)...

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The word is the Steelers offered him more, but what would he get trying to learn under Big Ben and the coaching there? Not much at all. He learned from Bridgewater's move.

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Rodgers always b*tched about how Brett wouldn't teach him jack and yet it looks like he will do the same exact thing to Love, what a douche nozzle. I hope all the ill will to the packers while he’s there.

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Jameis Winston: Can’t beat Saints opportunity if you believe in yourself

Jameis Winston can see, and is safer in traffic