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No, Thomas and company are not wrong speaking against Drew. They may be wrong in their assessment of Drew and they may be wrong about the message Drew was trying to spread but they have every right to speak against him.
We also have to remember that things are very heated and people are very angry. Sometimes people say stupid things when they are angry. It may not be tactful or classy but they still have every right to speak their mind.

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Exactly the point I was trying to make the other day, one idiot can effectively make a group of people look bad and thats wrong on so many levels.

Thank you for your service, I wish the UK government had as much pride in its soldiers as the majority of America do for theirs.

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Drew apologized again. But what I found disturbing is this from the article “https://sports.yahoo.com/drew-brees-...004525114.html

“Teammates indicated that they accepted Brees’s apology, but this issue likely won’t go away, and the national anthem before the Saints’ first game will be watched closely, for what Brees does and what his teammates do.”

This is where it gets messed up. If he doesn’t kneel during the anthem then what? He’s disrespecting his teammates? The media are gonna drive this Into the ground and make something out of it that it’s not. Regardless if he said anything or not, who kneels and who doesn’t was going to be a thing. If you can’t unite for the country how you expect to unite for a cause? Guess we will see how Brees “humbles himself” and what convictions he gives up to do so or not.

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I've heard that in at least parts of US, police officers go through a fairly brief induction into the occupation.

In Finland, police officers go through a 3-year bachelor's degree level education to become qualified for the occupation.

Granted, it's much different being a cop in Finland than being one in US, but as I'm close friends with one - I know they do face difficult situations over here as well.

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Amen, Dude. You nailed it there.

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There isn't anyone on this board that I wouldn't have a drink with.

Much to the contrary, some of you would require me to have two drinks :):bng:

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That's what they call a two-drink minimum :p

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All is now cool on the team front as they talked personally and know each other well. This is the media, ONCE AGAIN, trying to stir the pot. Yes, "this issue likely won’t go away" because the damned media will make it an ongoing narrative.

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It takes more training in the US to become a hair stylist than a police officer.

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Training is very important but I would say our programs lack sufficient periodic screening to determine who is fit for duty.

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Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous.

And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over.

I know a lot of officers. And 99% of them are wonderful and caring people who go out and put their ass on the line daily. They get **** on because of the deeds and actions of a small percentage of officers that made terrible mistakes or are just plain pieces of ****. That small percentage and the media and politicians have demonized police officers all over this country. It's awful.

Holding a large group of people responsible for the actions of a small percentage is just not right.

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That's true for here as well. Cops here don't have periodic screenings nor have a scheduled chance to talk to a professional to unburden themselves.

Problem is that Finnish people tend to be quite introverted and we self-medicate ourselves with alcohol instead of talking to anyone about our problems, since we don't want to burden others with our problems.

Also, violence here tends to be directed at ourselves or our immediate family, not strangers.

We have our share of social and racial problems, but nothing compared to what you guys are going through.

All I'm saying is that being a law enforcement officer is a very difficult profession, which makes hard demands on an individual. It also is the kind of profession that draws in individuals who enjoy a position of authority and the prestige the job gives you, while others perceive it as a calling to help their community.

Long hours, high stress, budget cuts, being undermanned, and rarely getting the appreciation they deserve - sometimes I wonder how we have any cops to begin with.

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On average it takes 840 training hours to become a police officer. To become a barber: 1500 hours.

Many trades require hundreds of hours more in training than police. In Louisiana entry-level police require 360 hours in training. To be a licensed manicurist, you'll need 500 hours.

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FYI, I support Police.
I bought paid for 2 guys dinner 3 nights ago at a restaurant in my
Barrio, where a lot of you wouldnt live.
Just BECAUSE they are Police.
Thats how it is.

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Today is June 6 and I'm here to remind you that Drew Brees is now pathetic and some black American people have selective outrage. After all the protest, new laws, money flowing into those communities nothing will change and they'll still be killing each other. Have a great day.

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Imagine the progress we could make as a nation by holding our communities and leaders as accountable as we do a few violent police officers.

I pray for the day we can all treat each other as brothers and sisters. Racism is not inherent, it’s taught. In today’s world it’s not only taught, it’s promoted at the expense of each other’s understanding of one another.

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Here's the thing. Anytime I see a policeman they are dealing with people who refuse to cooperate with the polices instructions. This leads to escalation and that never ends well. Sometimes these policemen are black and sometimes they are white. The problem is blacks seem to communicate better with blacks than white officers. I think a factor to consider is that black people are taught to fear policemen, which leads to distrust which leads to lack of cooperation, which leads to escalation, which leads to a volatile situation.

Also, let's not forget that white men shot by a black man get little to no attention. Personally, I believe that is unfair and highly prejudicial. I don't see color. I never have and I never will. Do the police need better training? Obviously. Do black people need to be more cooperative? It might just stop a lot of deaths.

I am talking about the majority of the people that the police encounter and not your average polite citizen.

Disclaimer. When I say black or white I'm talking about the people that the police encounter on a daily basis. Not your polite citizen of any color.:peace:

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The real truth is most cops are good people. Most of any group are good. But we all need protection from abuse due to the police. It is not a black issue, but when youre a self absorbed victim..everything is about your racial makeup. Well, all except the fact that your group commits more crime per capita and kill each other like the wind blows. Those things are never discussed. Because that's not the issue. And why would it be? Why would you worry if your killing hundreds of yourselves in each major city in America each year and the countless children hit by stray bullets.

I often say to my wife when I look at the pure innocence that is my son, all kids start this way, what the hell happens.

We need after school programs and rec centers for all kids to keep them off the streets. We need to alter the how education is funded from a local lever to a state level so the disparity in education ends. Lastly, we need to alter the thinking around protective sex, self respect, and value of family. It will take years to see dividends but it will pay off

The problem we run into as a society is that white people and black people ****ing love to steal tax payer money. So everytime we fund programs the money doesn't get used efficiently or for the purpose intended.

We need massive oversight and transparency or change is never going to come.

Thats my two cents and I'm sticking with it

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Fathers

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Are like *******s and everyone's got one except black Americans? Lol, stop Danno.

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In the next 5 to 10 years I'm literally moving to a country of Hispanic and black people and ill be in heaven. I wont have to deal with white liberals and some black Americans 😆 true story

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Looks as if Sanders is going to have a great year! MT made a great decision calling out his money maker. Great decision!!!!!!

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"Too black for the dining room." No, dumbass, all people get dress code enforced on them. Its happened to me.

How obnoxious.

I cant root for this idiot, either, anymore. Yall can spend your money on racists who hate you and your country, if you want.

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The problem is that it is impossible to have a calm rational conversation because as a rule the conversations are motivated by emotion, not metrics. Metrics have no empathy but they are the real deal. When metrics are used, and it is impossible to argue with metrics. The quickest way to reverse the conversation is to bring it back to a personal level, such are saying "shutup you racist". The ability to say I agree to disagree with your opinion, without it becoming personal, is somehow lost. The hypocrisy in only wanting to hear an opinion that only aligns with your own is pathetic.

Two examples of metrics, shedding rational light on an irrational situation, would be more than 800,00 sworn in officers so the % of incidence with bad cops is super low, yes I get it one is too many. The 40 unarmed killings of citizens by police officers last year, with 19 of those being white folks and 9 being black folks, yes there is a smaller % of black folks in the country. I am only using these examples and not saying this is the root cause of the anger, and ignoring the fact that this event was only fuel to the fire.

Lest we forget, we are in a election year, and much of this fits a narrative, and the media is the worst offender. Hotbed issues always become hotter during election years.

As bigotry and racism is accused of painting with broad strokes and lumping all folks, say of color, into one category based on the actions of one individual, I think we should be careful of doing the same within a profession ie. law enforcement.

No one, and I mean no one, thought that the Minny cop was in line in his actions. We ALL agreed with this and it was a great opportunity to unite, but that is not the way this ultimately played out as can be observed by the destruction in our cities.

Racism will sadly always exist, it is impossible to tell people how to think. So many times, the "Golden Rule" is forgotten. Giving respect goes a long way to receiving respect.

I could go on and on, but all I am doing is making the hollow feeling in my heart feel better, and it really isn't helping with that either.

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Agree. Though I would say it's not only metrics/facts are always the answer. Statistics, polls and facts that seem somewhat scientific can be cherry-picked, distorted or presented in a vacuum of confirmation bias. The art of debate has been skewed by social media and hot takes. Real debate and rational conversation is focused on the receiver, not the messenger. The argument needs to be presented in an objective manner; often that is even more important than the facts. It is seldom to change someone's mind outright, but how can I plant a seed to expand their view?

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Well boys...

My entertainment value for football is quickly fading. I was planning on making a few trips this year to catch at least 2 games (assuming covid isn’t a issue), but that won’t happen. At this point I am not sure how much football I’ll be watching.

I just can’t stand the outrage culture and utter disregard for logical solutions and debate on real issues. It’s all devolved into defunding the police which is something I could never support. More training for officers is needed, so the answer is to defund and have less training?? Makes no sense, no logic involved there.

I wish you all the best. Hope all of you stay safe.

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...a?platform=amp

Brittany Brees said today "we are the problem" 😅🤣😂

The story above demonstrates more about the white people problem. I just can't figure out why things never change. Almost like blaming qhite people isn't fixing anything. Go figure. Almost like the problem could be something else...just can't put my finger on it

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I feel you bro. People go to sports to forget about life for a little, now you're injecting politics into sports. I don't think this will end well for the NFL long term.

This will stop as soon as there is a natural disaster that kills a bunch of people and then the topic will switch. Kind of like the pandemic.

Its all BS. Just make sure you have a gun or get one.

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To be clear I support the notion that change is needed and police abuse does occur. It less racial than people think although that does exist along with discrimination. But a movement that could have united people has been hijacked and turned into a political movement that will get no results.

Yes, in fact I have turned to other hobbies, which is why I’m starting to care less and less about the NFL. I have been shooting/golfing and watching MMA much more. I used to compete in MMA and am now looking to get back into BJJ. Also, considering joining a political group for this upcoming election... plenty to keep busy with on top of work.

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Yep, the police thing is an everyone issue. Agree. Most cops are good but there are clear abuses and it impacts everyone.

Thats cool, I'm looking at shotguns now so I can start shooting.

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"Can it wait? I'm a little busy right now."

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😅🤣😂

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Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments
 

Sean Payton said publicly that letting Jenkins go was the worst decision he's made. Bringing him back might be his second worst decision.:wink:

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I doubt that seriously. I expect Jenkins to be a major playmaker this year.

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Yeah, guys who publicly attack their own QB and create a major distraction are all good, as long as they can make some tackles.

And he's also approaching the proverbial hill, football-wise. He might even be over it.

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In a few years time, Payton will be saying letting Vonn Bell go was his biggest mistake.

He can never get it right when it comes to Defense.

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Watching people who should be allies attack each other makes me sad.

Knowing the strings are being pulled by a very few, with no vested interest in our well-being makes me angry.

Seeing the blind rage form based on "red team" v "blue team" makes me lose hope.

It's time to stop letting other dictate our future.